Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

["Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>]

Dude...three words:  "switch to decaf" ;-)

-Andy
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The views expressed in this email are those of the author and are almost
definitely not shared by the Apache Software Foundation, its board or its
general membership.  In fact they probably most definitively disagree with
everything espoused in the above email.

> From: Tetsuya Kitahata <te...@apache.org>
> Organization: The Apache Software Foundation, Committer
> Reply-To: "Jakarta General List" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 05:04:32 +0900
> To: "Jakarta General List" <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status
> 
> On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:27:30 -0500
> Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> 
>>> In HTTPD/APR world. mostly Apache MEMBERS = Apache COMMITTERS.
>>> (OH, you pointed it our, 6 months ago ;-)!
>> You must mean HTTPD PMC Members ~= HTTPD Committers more ore less.  Yes.
> 
> Obvious. HTTPD (Apache HTTP WebServer Project) does not
> have *general* list. That's all.
> 
> # Jakarta should have it's own way, i hope. If Jakarta can't have such,
> # the "board" would be *wrong* ... that's all.
> 
> 
>> Size matters.  This is obviously not feasible for Jakarta as we are
>> demonstrating so aptly.
> 
> Wow, Great. Size matter? Could you please describe the committer*ness*
> @ http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html
> ?? ... more ?? ;-)
> 
> Can you describe the all the committers/PMC members@
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html
> , by the way? ;-)
> 
>>> You/I "can" see the difference. Yep. This is the root of the evil.
>>> This *MUST* be fixed.
>>> I'd like to see the "jakarta XXX PMC" groups to be organized into
>>> subgroups realms. "Jakarta" has it's own brand. You can have either
>>> "Jakarta POI" or "Apache POI", i guess... subsets of the group.
>>> .. thus would be integrated into the jakarta PMC in the near future.
>> This is essentially the formalization of how it is of course.
> 
> Okeydokey
> 
>>> Suffices. APR/HTTPD guys would be gratified, i hope.
>>> Could you please explain why the discussion lasts forever?
>> First, we're trying too many people come to a consensus on a non-technical
>> issue.  Second, because we're trying to over-manage and uber-manage things.
> 
> Yes, i know that non-technical issue should be open.
> 
>> It will only get worse.  It would be even worse if it were in private.
> 
> I can not trust you ;-) . (joke) so I do not make such an issue
> to be in private :-) // nothing to be got worse
> 
>> My point was merely to point out the puppet strings, not to join the
>> puppets.  ;-)
> 
> Puppet? Andy? ... are you puppet? ... of what?
> 
> I am sure that you are *far from* the puppet of XYZ ..
> ... as you are the puppet of the united states :-).
> 
> I am sure that you guys are wrong about the interpretations
> of the comments from the board members. I'd like to see the
> board members opinions here @ general@apache, directly.
> 
> ... Critical issue... maybe ... D'OH
> 
> We, Jakarta-n, should *not* be humiliated by the BOARD members ;-)
> I'd like to have the opinions from board members directly here.
> This might improve the PMCness of the Jakarta, i hope.
> 
> --
> 
> I'd like to know why the PMC list @ jakarta *WAS* full of disputes
> over the TLP-ness of XYZ ... Andy, could you please explain this more?
> 
> Thanks, godness
> 
> 
> 
> -- Tetsuya. (tetsuya@apache.org)
> 
> 
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