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OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding
Hello forum,
There are regularly messages complaining of costly or spammed OpenOffice on the french forum.
Because end-users don't have ad blocker, Sf.net shows links to para-sites.
The download of the genuine OpenOffice appears delayed, so the user click on this "fake" OpenOffice.
As for other projets, I think Apache must not accept such situation:
http://www.computerworld.com/article/2931575/open-source-tools/sourceforge-fail-itbwcw.html
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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding
Posted by "donaldupre ." <do...@gmail.com>.
+1 for a divorce :)
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 7:19 PM, Roberto Galoppini <
roberto.galoppini@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for heads up, both the account and its creatives have been blocked.
>
> Roberto
>
> 2016-01-07 15:38 GMT+01:00 FR web forum <oo...@free.fr>:
>
> >
> > Today, we have 2 users that have pay for a fake OpenOffice2015
> >
> >
> >
> https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/aclk?sa=l&ai=Cqhy-1neOVt6KL-WpiQackZzAAYfp7MoH34WD-LgC1MrWdxABIIyB2hdg-4GAgLAKoAGp7IrZA8gBAeACAKgDAcgDmwSqBPsBT9D93xyCmQFS_5cpebROSJIQQYhzPjW-d8gS6i5e9e6WcA9njfDOVKAw8-SrAE-m1FAWOPwK7I8kJLuzeW18mmM3gOHS1aSw4C6NYt0wS9AKBjIPEo_getXfGxWWSaHMgh8Xq80OerSeu1x7X9o0SkdbYCBdCkfTipVtmML8em6ClO-YlXOwZQCyaAfDexZH-XvEUA5LfIu3rNFvn2B7AgfcRm9BBQ9Y1Ws7O_TN38v09G1YWLj9LSzfKWZiCJ3xbHztJJPsC1xQfhsfp5Wfc_aSOAMj5hR1OzHdfsJ0L9mW4DQvcaunuhh53UgHQJwICQwS32fUA_Lo7SLgBAGAB7-T9SaoB6a-G9gHAQ&num=1&sig=AOD64_0CRVAtU-eX-IKwATP1aS0yl-nOBg&client=ca-pub-4006818487458500&nm=27&nx=263&ny=22&mb=2&nb=0&clkt=144&adurl=http://opf2.fisseef.com/fr%3Futm_campaign%3Dopenoffice2%26utm_source%3Dgoogle
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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Is it possible for SourceForge to implement an active blocking if any ad
> that has "Office" or "OpenOffice" anywhere in the content?
It's not as simple as that, some evildoers create ad buttons that show the
word "download" or a "play" button (forward triangle).
It should be really easy to fix for SF.net if they wanted:
1. CLEAR MESSAGE in bold text, +2 typeface "Your download will start
automatically, DO NOT CLICK anywhere until it has started".
2. CLEAR separation of the ads and the page information, e.g. 3-pixel thick
line/separator, with the text "ADVERTISING SPACE".
I wonder if anyone from AOO has approached them and requested they
implement something like this?. LEGIT advertisers shouldn't oppose...
FC
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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:36 AM, Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com> wrote:
> Apache’s mirrors already have the binaries, and should handle the load.
It has been argued repeatedly that they wouldn't.
FC
Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding
Posted by toki <to...@gmail.com>.
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On 08/01/2016 20:54, Roberto Galoppini wrote:
> Thanks for your patience, what follows it's the result of a joint meet
ing
> with our AdOps team and our Managing Director.
Is "our AdOps team" a SourceForge team, or an Apache Software Foundation
Team?
jonathon
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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding
Posted by Roberto Galoppini <ro...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for your patience, what follows it's the result of a joint meeting
with our AdOps team and our Managing Director.
Ad Ops has paused the Google Ad Exchange ad serving on SourceForge.net's
Apache Open Office project pages. This will continue while the team
completes our review of the Ad Exchange blocking rules and controls with
the Google team.
Having said that, I wish to share with you all some background information
about the whole process to ban ads and advertisers that are not compliant
with our advertising policies.
Ad Exchange blocking rules are our first tool of control to block
advertising that is non-compliant with company policy. They are quite
effective, though not perfect solutions. Unfortunately when malicious
advertisers find a way to fool the system, they are eventually able to
inject ads that are confusing. Under the Clean Software Alliance umbrella
we're collaborating with them to prevent similar ads to get into the
marketplace, hopefully that would help them to refine their policies and
tools over time.
As a second layer of control, our ad operations department regularly
reviews the advertising from the Ad Exchange and manually removes
advertising and advertisers that bypass the technology controls. They are
at the domain and advertiser-level, and are permanent.
We also have had some success with the community feedback element to our ad
quality process that includes a community feedback form. This has been
helpful for us to improve the timeliness of removing ad violations, but it
needs end-users' input.
With regard to our direct sales and partner advertisers, they remain active
and in full compliance with SourceForge ad quality specifications and
policies, and we never had similar issues with them.
Stay tuned, I will circle back with you next week with more information on
progress with our review of policy and ad quality controls.
Thanks,
Roberto
2016-01-08 8:54 GMT+01:00 Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>:
> The choice to go with sourceforge was not about stats. OpenOffice binaries
> are quite substantial. There was concern about if all the Apache mirrors
> could handle the load.
>
> Patience! Let's see what Roberto has to say. SourceForge has been generous.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 7, 2016, at 11:36 PM, Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com> wrote:
> >
> > Apache’s mirrors already have the binaries, and should handle the load.
> Are we afraid of losing DL stats, is that why we stick with SF?
> >
> > --
> > Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
> > Cominvent AS - www.cominvent.com
> >
> >> 8. jan. 2016 kl. 04.46 skrev Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>:
> >>
> >> Hi Roberto,
> >>
> >> Is it possible for SourceForge to implement an active blocking if any
> ad that has "Office" or "OpenOffice" anywhere in the content?
> >>
> >> I understand there are technical challenges. If that is difficult is it
> possible to simply block all ads?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Roberto Galoppini <
> roberto.galoppini@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for heads up, both the account and its creatives have been
> blocked.
> >>>
> >>> Roberto
> >>>
> >>> 2016-01-07 15:38 GMT+01:00 FR web forum <oo...@free.fr>:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Today, we have 2 users that have pay for a fake OpenOffice2015
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/aclk?sa=l&ai=Cqhy-1neOVt6KL-WpiQackZzAAYfp7MoH34WD-LgC1MrWdxABIIyB2hdg-4GAgLAKoAGp7IrZA8gBAeACAKgDAcgDmwSqBPsBT9D93xyCmQFS_5cpebROSJIQQYhzPjW-d8gS6i5e9e6WcA9njfDOVKAw8-SrAE-m1FAWOPwK7I8kJLuzeW18mmM3gOHS1aSw4C6NYt0wS9AKBjIPEo_getXfGxWWSaHMgh8Xq80OerSeu1x7X9o0SkdbYCBdCkfTipVtmML8em6ClO-YlXOwZQCyaAfDexZH-XvEUA5LfIu3rNFvn2B7AgfcRm9BBQ9Y1Ws7O_TN38v09G1YWLj9LSzfKWZiCJ3xbHztJJPsC1xQfhsfp5Wfc_aSOAMj5hR1OzHdfsJ0L9mW4DQvcaunuhh53UgHQJwICQwS32fUA_Lo7SLgBAGAB7-T9SaoB6a-G9gHAQ&num=1&sig=AOD64_0CRVAtU-eX-IKwATP1aS0yl-nOBg&client=ca-pub-4006818487458500&nm=27&nx=263&ny=22&mb=2&nb=0&clkt=144&adurl=http://opf2.fisseef.com/fr%3Futm_campaign%3Dopenoffice2%26utm_source%3Dgoogle
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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding
Posted by toki <to...@gmail.com>.
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On 08/01/2016 08:02, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> Something has been puzzling me lately. What if this is deliberate?. I
> mean, people setting up these "fake AOO" sites and then joining the SF
.net
> advertisers network only to hurt AOO?.
Pretty much since OpenOffice.org 0.9 was released, organizations have
included software that is not useful for one's computer either within,
or alongside the office suite.
At least one of those organization sold "official support" at their
"private website" that was the nothing more than the official OOo web fo
rum.
jonathon
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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 2:54 AM, Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Patience! Let's see what Roberto has to say
Something has been puzzling me lately. What if this is delliberate?. I
mean, people setting up these "fake AOO" sites and then joining the SF.net
advertisers network only to hurt AOO?.
Can an individual project hosted on SF.net, choose to only display adverts
from advertisers that have a long track record of "no problems/complaints"
(a "scoring" if you prefer)? That would be a good way to remove the people
who join the sf.net advertising network with the only purpose to do these
AOO scams and hurt AOO.
Besides the "removal" of offending advertisers, is there any other legal
action that could be taken by the ASF, SF.net, or both? Can we at least
know who they are and publicly shame them? (I suppose if the adverts
networks can pay revenue to them, that they already know who they are and
whom to send the checks to).
Just thinking aloud...
FC
--
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary
act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto
Revolucionario
- George Orwell
Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
The choice to go with sourceforge was not about stats. OpenOffice binaries are quite substantial. There was concern about if all the Apache mirrors could handle the load.
Patience! Let's see what Roberto has to say. SourceForge has been generous.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 11:36 PM, Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com> wrote:
>
> Apache’s mirrors already have the binaries, and should handle the load. Are we afraid of losing DL stats, is that why we stick with SF?
>
> --
> Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
> Cominvent AS - www.cominvent.com
>
>> 8. jan. 2016 kl. 04.46 skrev Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>:
>>
>> Hi Roberto,
>>
>> Is it possible for SourceForge to implement an active blocking if any ad that has "Office" or "OpenOffice" anywhere in the content?
>>
>> I understand there are technical challenges. If that is difficult is it possible to simply block all ads?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Roberto Galoppini <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for heads up, both the account and its creatives have been blocked.
>>>
>>> Roberto
>>>
>>> 2016-01-07 15:38 GMT+01:00 FR web forum <oo...@free.fr>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today, we have 2 users that have pay for a fake OpenOffice2015
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/aclk?sa=l&ai=Cqhy-1neOVt6KL-WpiQackZzAAYfp7MoH34WD-LgC1MrWdxABIIyB2hdg-4GAgLAKoAGp7IrZA8gBAeACAKgDAcgDmwSqBPsBT9D93xyCmQFS_5cpebROSJIQQYhzPjW-d8gS6i5e9e6WcA9njfDOVKAw8-SrAE-m1FAWOPwK7I8kJLuzeW18mmM3gOHS1aSw4C6NYt0wS9AKBjIPEo_getXfGxWWSaHMgh8Xq80OerSeu1x7X9o0SkdbYCBdCkfTipVtmML8em6ClO-YlXOwZQCyaAfDexZH-XvEUA5LfIu3rNFvn2B7AgfcRm9BBQ9Y1Ws7O_TN38v09G1YWLj9LSzfKWZiCJ3xbHztJJPsC1xQfhsfp5Wfc_aSOAMj5hR1OzHdfsJ0L9mW4DQvcaunuhh53UgHQJwICQwS32fUA_Lo7SLgBAGAB7-T9SaoB6a-G9gHAQ&num=1&sig=AOD64_0CRVAtU-eX-IKwATP1aS0yl-nOBg&client=ca-pub-4006818487458500&nm=27&nx=263&ny=22&mb=2&nb=0&clkt=144&adurl=http://opf2.fisseef.com/fr%3Futm_campaign%3Dopenoffice2%26utm_source%3Dgoogle
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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding
Posted by Jan Høydahl <ja...@cominvent.com>.
Apache’s mirrors already have the binaries, and should handle the load. Are we afraid of losing DL stats, is that why we stick with SF?
--
Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
Cominvent AS - www.cominvent.com
> 8. jan. 2016 kl. 04.46 skrev Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>:
>
> Hi Roberto,
>
> Is it possible for SourceForge to implement an active blocking if any ad that has "Office" or "OpenOffice" anywhere in the content?
>
> I understand there are technical challenges. If that is difficult is it possible to simply block all ads?
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 7, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Roberto Galoppini <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for heads up, both the account and its creatives have been blocked.
>>
>> Roberto
>>
>> 2016-01-07 15:38 GMT+01:00 FR web forum <oo...@free.fr>:
>>
>>>
>>> Today, we have 2 users that have pay for a fake OpenOffice2015
>>>
>>>
>>> https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/aclk?sa=l&ai=Cqhy-1neOVt6KL-WpiQackZzAAYfp7MoH34WD-LgC1MrWdxABIIyB2hdg-4GAgLAKoAGp7IrZA8gBAeACAKgDAcgDmwSqBPsBT9D93xyCmQFS_5cpebROSJIQQYhzPjW-d8gS6i5e9e6WcA9njfDOVKAw8-SrAE-m1FAWOPwK7I8kJLuzeW18mmM3gOHS1aSw4C6NYt0wS9AKBjIPEo_getXfGxWWSaHMgh8Xq80OerSeu1x7X9o0SkdbYCBdCkfTipVtmML8em6ClO-YlXOwZQCyaAfDexZH-XvEUA5LfIu3rNFvn2B7AgfcRm9BBQ9Y1Ws7O_TN38v09G1YWLj9LSzfKWZiCJ3xbHztJJPsC1xQfhsfp5Wfc_aSOAMj5hR1OzHdfsJ0L9mW4DQvcaunuhh53UgHQJwICQwS32fUA_Lo7SLgBAGAB7-T9SaoB6a-G9gHAQ&num=1&sig=AOD64_0CRVAtU-eX-IKwATP1aS0yl-nOBg&client=ca-pub-4006818487458500&nm=27&nx=263&ny=22&mb=2&nb=0&clkt=144&adurl=http://opf2.fisseef.com/fr%3Futm_campaign%3Dopenoffice2%26utm_source%3Dgoogle
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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi Roberto,
Is it possible for SourceForge to implement an active blocking if any ad that has "Office" or "OpenOffice" anywhere in the content?
I understand there are technical challenges. If that is difficult is it possible to simply block all ads?
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 9:19 AM, Roberto Galoppini <ro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for heads up, both the account and its creatives have been blocked.
>
> Roberto
>
> 2016-01-07 15:38 GMT+01:00 FR web forum <oo...@free.fr>:
>
>>
>> Today, we have 2 users that have pay for a fake OpenOffice2015
>>
>>
>> https://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/aclk?sa=l&ai=Cqhy-1neOVt6KL-WpiQackZzAAYfp7MoH34WD-LgC1MrWdxABIIyB2hdg-4GAgLAKoAGp7IrZA8gBAeACAKgDAcgDmwSqBPsBT9D93xyCmQFS_5cpebROSJIQQYhzPjW-d8gS6i5e9e6WcA9njfDOVKAw8-SrAE-m1FAWOPwK7I8kJLuzeW18mmM3gOHS1aSw4C6NYt0wS9AKBjIPEo_getXfGxWWSaHMgh8Xq80OerSeu1x7X9o0SkdbYCBdCkfTipVtmML8em6ClO-YlXOwZQCyaAfDexZH-XvEUA5LfIu3rNFvn2B7AgfcRm9BBQ9Y1Ws7O_TN38v09G1YWLj9LSzfKWZiCJ3xbHztJJPsC1xQfhsfp5Wfc_aSOAMj5hR1OzHdfsJ0L9mW4DQvcaunuhh53UgHQJwICQwS32fUA_Lo7SLgBAGAB7-T9SaoB6a-G9gHAQ&num=1&sig=AOD64_0CRVAtU-eX-IKwATP1aS0yl-nOBg&client=ca-pub-4006818487458500&nm=27&nx=263&ny=22&mb=2&nb=0&clkt=144&adurl=http://opf2.fisseef.com/fr%3Futm_campaign%3Dopenoffice2%26utm_source%3Dgoogle
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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding
Posted by Roberto Galoppini <ro...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for heads up, both the account and its creatives have been blocked.
Roberto
2016-01-07 15:38 GMT+01:00 FR web forum <oo...@free.fr>:
>
> Today, we have 2 users that have pay for a fake OpenOffice2015
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Re: OpenOffice and SourceForge: cruel wedding
Posted by FR web forum <oo...@free.fr>.
Today, we have 2 users that have pay for a fake OpenOffice2015
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