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Posted to dev@tuscany.apache.org by kelvin goodson <ke...@gmail.com> on 2007/02/06 17:01:19 UTC
Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
As I'm updating a page on our old wiki, I'm wondering where we are with
this and whether I should be migrating the content?
Kelvin.
On 24/01/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> FYI, I have added "edit" permissions to all registered users.
>
> Thanks,
> Raymond
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ant elder" <an...@gmail.com>
> To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
>
>
> > On 1/23/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > 2) I'm not proposing to change the "edit" policy. The
> >> http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ page also provides some guidances for
> >> cases
> >> that we use it as a sandbox (open to all registered users) or
> >> documentation
> >> site (open to folks with CLA on file).
> >
> >
> > I also think all our content should be open to any registered user. We
> > want
> > everyone to help maintain it and thats going be more likely to happen if
> > we
> > make it easy for them. Its harder for users to send in patches for the
> > wiki
> > :) Can we get update emails sent to the dev list so we all can monitor
> > the
> > changes?
> >
> > ...ant
> >
>
>
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Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
Posted by Simon Laws <si...@googlemail.com>.
On 2/7/07, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> haleh mahbod wrote:
> > +1 for moving to cwiki. Much easier to use.
> >
> > On 2/7/07, Rick Rineholt <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have found having too many sources 2 wikis, the web site, doco
> checked
> >> in to svn to be a major confusion and a general appearance
> >> disorganization. I think we should at the very least now retire one of
> >> the wiki sites. I'm for moving to cwiki.
> >> Venkata Krishnan wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I guess the website and the wiki are both needed and am very much in
> >> line
> >> > with Dan's thoughts on what should go into each of this.
> >> >
> >> > I guess its now a question of whether we want to move our content
> >> out of
> >> > that old wike over CWIKI. I'd say we must go with CWIKI which is a
> >> > lot more
> >> > pleasant to look and feel.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > - Venkat
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 2/8/07, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Dan Murphy wrote:
> >> >> > Similar to Haleh's opinion... a hybrid of web and wiki seems to
> >> make
> >> >> > sense
> >> >> > - use the web site for fairly static content but link from the
> >> >> website
> >> >> > directly to appropriate places in the wiki where the content is
> >> likely
> >> >> to
> >> >> > change or hasn't fully been decided yet.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For example, we could remove the "how to build, test and deploy
> >> Java
> >> >> SCA"
> >> >> > off of the web site and instead link from the web page to a wiki
> >> page.
> >> >> > (IMHO) it becomes easier to maintain... perhaps if/when it
> settles
> >> >> > down (or
> >> >> > @ V1) we could merge it back into the web site. I'd be happy to
> >> help
> >> >> > maintain this because I can edit the wiki - for me to contribute
> to
> >> >> > the web
> >> >> > site takes much more effort... perhaps this isn't so important to
> >> >> > others who
> >> >> > are already committers...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Dan
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 07/02/07, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Rick had asked earlier "Two concerns come to mind if we make THE
> >> >> >> website:
> >> >> >> Is it backed up? can we get past revisions if needed ? Currently
> >> our
> >> >> >> website is
> >> >> >> in svn which covers that.
> >> >> >> The other is we have had past complaints that the site was not
> >> >> "fancy"
> >> >> >> organized
> >> >> >> etc, are we confident this wiki can handle this?"
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Is Confluence backed up regularly?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Does it make sense to leave the website skeleton as is and move
> >> all
> >> >> >> documents to confluence WIKI? For example FAQ, design docs,
> >> release
> >> >> >> information and downloads, etc.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> It took us a while to get the website look and feel to where it
> is
> >> >> right
> >> >> >> now
> >> >> >> and this is not the part that needs to be changed that often. We
> >> >> should
> >> >> >> not
> >> >> >> move it until we have a good replacement.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On 2/6/07, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Hi Kelvin,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > In my perception, we are moving over to the Confluence wiki -
> >> >> >> > CWIKI. Infact
> >> >> >> > some of the recent updates such as things we aspire to do for
> >> >> SCA M3,
> >> >> >> some
> >> >> >> > documentation on SCA Deployment and FAQs have already found
> >> place
> >> >> >> there.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > - Venkat
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > On 2/6/07, kelvin goodson <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > As I'm updating a page on our old wiki, I'm wondering where
> >> >> we are
> >> >> >> with
> >> >> >> > > this and whether I should be migrating the content?
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > Kelvin.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > On 24/01/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Hi,
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > FYI, I have added "edit" permissions to all registered
> >> users.
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > Thanks,
> >> >> >> > > > Raymond
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> > > > From: "ant elder" <an...@gmail.com>
> >> >> >> > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> >> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:59 AM
> >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > On 1/23/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > <snip>
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > 2) I'm not proposing to change the "edit" policy. The
> >> >> >> > > > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ page also provides some
> >> >> >> guidances
> >> >> >> > for
> >> >> >> > > > >> cases
> >> >> >> > > > >> that we use it as a sandbox (open to all registered
> >> >> users) or
> >> >> >> > > > >> documentation
> >> >> >> > > > >> site (open to folks with CLA on file).
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > I also think all our content should be open to any
> >> registered
> >> >> >> user.
> >> >> >> > We
> >> >> >> > > > > want
> >> >> >> > > > > everyone to help maintain it and thats going be more
> >> >> likely to
> >> >> >> > happen
> >> >> >> > > if
> >> >> >> > > > > we
> >> >> >> > > > > make it easy for them. Its harder for users to send in
> >> >> >> patches for
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > > > > wiki
> >> >> >> > > > > :) Can we get update emails sent to the dev list so we
> >> >> all can
> >> >> >> > > monitor
> >> >> >> > > > > the
> >> >> >> > > > > changes?
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > ...ant
> >> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> >> >> >> > > > For additional commands, e-mail:
> >> tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > > >
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> Looks like a number of projects have already moved their web sites
> to
> >> >> confluence, including Cayenne, Cxf, Qpid, Directory, Mina, Ode,
> >> >> ServiceMix, Felix, Yoko, Wicket...
> >> >>
> >> >> The whole list is there:
> >> >> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/dashboard.action
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Jean-Sebastien
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >
>
> In addition to start moving our current Wiki to CWiki, I think it would
> be a good idea to incrementally move parts of the current Web site (and
> at some point the whole Web site) to CWiki as well. Cwiki is really easy
> to use and I think this will encourage people to contribute more content
> to the Web site.
>
> --
> Jean-Sebastien
>
>
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> +1 we use a Confluence based site for the PHP SCA/SDO site (
http://www.osoa.org/display/PHP/SOA+PHP+Homepage) and have found it very
satisfactory. Certainly a step up from the existing Apache Wiki in terms of
eas of use and presentation impact.
Simon
Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
Posted by Simon Nash <na...@hursley.ibm.com>.
+1 for moving all Wiki content to cwiki. And I agree that we should
use the Wiki for content from the Web site that needs updating more
frequently.
Simon
Andrew Borley wrote:
> +1 for a single wiki - happy with cwiki
>
> On 2/7/07, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1 for moving to cwiki. Much easier to use.
>>
>> On 2/7/07, Rick Rineholt <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > I have found having too many sources 2 wikis, the web site, doco
>> checked
>> > in to svn to be a major confusion and a general appearance
>> > disorganization. I think we should at the very least now retire one of
>> > the wiki sites. I'm for moving to cwiki.
>> > Venkata Krishnan wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > I guess the website and the wiki are both needed and am very much in
>> > line
>> > > with Dan's thoughts on what should go into each of this.
>> > >
>> > > I guess its now a question of whether we want to move our content
>> out of
>> > > that old wike over CWIKI. I'd say we must go with CWIKI which is a
>> > > lot more
>> > > pleasant to look and feel.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks
>> > >
>> > > - Venkat
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 2/8/07, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Dan Murphy wrote:
>> > >> > Similar to Haleh's opinion... a hybrid of web and wiki seems to
>> make
>> > >> > sense
>> > >> > - use the web site for fairly static content but link from the
>> > >> website
>> > >> > directly to appropriate places in the wiki where the content is
>> > likely
>> > >> to
>> > >> > change or hasn't fully been decided yet.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > For example, we could remove the "how to build, test and deploy
>> Java
>> > >> SCA"
>> > >> > off of the web site and instead link from the web page to a wiki
>> > page.
>> > >> > (IMHO) it becomes easier to maintain... perhaps if/when it
>> settles
>> > >> > down (or
>> > >> > @ V1) we could merge it back into the web site. I'd be happy to
>> help
>> > >> > maintain this because I can edit the wiki - for me to
>> contribute to
>> > >> > the web
>> > >> > site takes much more effort... perhaps this isn't so important to
>> > >> > others who
>> > >> > are already committers...
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Dan
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On 07/02/07, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Rick had asked earlier "Two concerns come to mind if we make THE
>> > >> >> website:
>> > >> >> Is it backed up? can we get past revisions if needed ? Currently
>> > our
>> > >> >> website is
>> > >> >> in svn which covers that.
>> > >> >> The other is we have had past complaints that the site was not
>> > >> "fancy"
>> > >> >> organized
>> > >> >> etc, are we confident this wiki can handle this?"
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Is Confluence backed up regularly?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Does it make sense to leave the website skeleton as is and
>> move all
>> > >> >> documents to confluence WIKI? For example FAQ, design docs,
>> release
>> > >> >> information and downloads, etc.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> It took us a while to get the website look and feel to where
>> it is
>> > >> right
>> > >> >> now
>> > >> >> and this is not the part that needs to be changed that often. We
>> > >> should
>> > >> >> not
>> > >> >> move it until we have a good replacement.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> On 2/6/07, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Hi Kelvin,
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > In my perception, we are moving over to the Confluence wiki -
>> > >> >> > CWIKI. Infact
>> > >> >> > some of the recent updates such as things we aspire to do for
>> > >> SCA M3,
>> > >> >> some
>> > >> >> > documentation on SCA Deployment and FAQs have already found
>> place
>> > >> >> there.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Thanks
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > - Venkat
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > On 2/6/07, kelvin goodson <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > As I'm updating a page on our old wiki, I'm wondering where
>> > >> we are
>> > >> >> with
>> > >> >> > > this and whether I should be migrating the content?
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > Kelvin.
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> > > On 24/01/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> > > >
>> > >> >> > > > Hi,
>> > >> >> > > >
>> > >> >> > > > FYI, I have added "edit" permissions to all registered
>> users.
>> > >> >> > > >
>> > >> >> > > > Thanks,
>> > >> >> > > > Raymond
>> > >> >> > > >
>> > >> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > >> >> > > > From: "ant elder" <an...@gmail.com>
>> > >> >> > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
>> > >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:59 AM
>> > >> >> > > > Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
>> > >> >> > > >
>> > >> >> > > >
>> > >> >> > > > > On 1/23/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> > > > >
>> > >> >> > > > > <snip>
>> > >> >> > > > >
>> > >> >> > > > > 2) I'm not proposing to change the "edit" policy. The
>> > >> >> > > > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ page also provides some
>> > >> >> guidances
>> > >> >> > for
>> > >> >> > > > >> cases
>> > >> >> > > > >> that we use it as a sandbox (open to all registered
>> > >> users) or
>> > >> >> > > > >> documentation
>> > >> >> > > > >> site (open to folks with CLA on file).
>> > >> >> > > > >
>> > >> >> > > > >
>> > >> >> > > > > I also think all our content should be open to any
>> > registered
>> > >> >> user.
>> > >> >> > We
>> > >> >> > > > > want
>> > >> >> > > > > everyone to help maintain it and thats going be more
>> > >> likely to
>> > >> >> > happen
>> > >> >> > > if
>> > >> >> > > > > we
>> > >> >> > > > > make it easy for them. Its harder for users to send in
>> > >> >> patches for
>> > >> >> > the
>> > >> >> > > > > wiki
>> > >> >> > > > > :) Can we get update emails sent to the dev list so we
>> > >> all can
>> > >> >> > > monitor
>> > >> >> > > > > the
>> > >> >> > > > > changes?
>> > >> >> > > > >
>> > >> >> > > > > ...ant
>> > >> >> > > > >
>> > >> >> > > >
>> > >> >> > > >
>> > >> >> > > >
>> > >> >>
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >> >> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
>> tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
>> > >> >> > > > For additional commands, e-mail:
>> > tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
>> > >> >> > > >
>> > >> >> > > >
>> > >> >> > >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >
>> > >> Looks like a number of projects have already moved their web
>> sites to
>> > >> confluence, including Cayenne, Cxf, Qpid, Directory, Mina, Ode,
>> > >> ServiceMix, Felix, Yoko, Wicket...
>> > >>
>> > >> The whole list is there:
>> > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/dashboard.action
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Jean-Sebastien
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
>> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
Posted by Andrew Borley <aj...@gmail.com>.
+1 for a single wiki - happy with cwiki
On 2/7/07, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 for moving to cwiki. Much easier to use.
>
> On 2/7/07, Rick Rineholt <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have found having too many sources 2 wikis, the web site, doco checked
> > in to svn to be a major confusion and a general appearance
> > disorganization. I think we should at the very least now retire one of
> > the wiki sites. I'm for moving to cwiki.
> > Venkata Krishnan wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I guess the website and the wiki are both needed and am very much in
> > line
> > > with Dan's thoughts on what should go into each of this.
> > >
> > > I guess its now a question of whether we want to move our content out of
> > > that old wike over CWIKI. I'd say we must go with CWIKI which is a
> > > lot more
> > > pleasant to look and feel.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > - Venkat
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/8/07, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Dan Murphy wrote:
> > >> > Similar to Haleh's opinion... a hybrid of web and wiki seems to make
> > >> > sense
> > >> > - use the web site for fairly static content but link from the
> > >> website
> > >> > directly to appropriate places in the wiki where the content is
> > likely
> > >> to
> > >> > change or hasn't fully been decided yet.
> > >> >
> > >> > For example, we could remove the "how to build, test and deploy Java
> > >> SCA"
> > >> > off of the web site and instead link from the web page to a wiki
> > page.
> > >> > (IMHO) it becomes easier to maintain... perhaps if/when it settles
> > >> > down (or
> > >> > @ V1) we could merge it back into the web site. I'd be happy to help
> > >> > maintain this because I can edit the wiki - for me to contribute to
> > >> > the web
> > >> > site takes much more effort... perhaps this isn't so important to
> > >> > others who
> > >> > are already committers...
> > >> >
> > >> > Dan
> > >> >
> > >> > On 07/02/07, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Rick had asked earlier "Two concerns come to mind if we make THE
> > >> >> website:
> > >> >> Is it backed up? can we get past revisions if needed ? Currently
> > our
> > >> >> website is
> > >> >> in svn which covers that.
> > >> >> The other is we have had past complaints that the site was not
> > >> "fancy"
> > >> >> organized
> > >> >> etc, are we confident this wiki can handle this?"
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Is Confluence backed up regularly?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Does it make sense to leave the website skeleton as is and move all
> > >> >> documents to confluence WIKI? For example FAQ, design docs, release
> > >> >> information and downloads, etc.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It took us a while to get the website look and feel to where it is
> > >> right
> > >> >> now
> > >> >> and this is not the part that needs to be changed that often. We
> > >> should
> > >> >> not
> > >> >> move it until we have a good replacement.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On 2/6/07, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Hi Kelvin,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > In my perception, we are moving over to the Confluence wiki -
> > >> >> > CWIKI. Infact
> > >> >> > some of the recent updates such as things we aspire to do for
> > >> SCA M3,
> > >> >> some
> > >> >> > documentation on SCA Deployment and FAQs have already found place
> > >> >> there.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Thanks
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > - Venkat
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On 2/6/07, kelvin goodson <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > As I'm updating a page on our old wiki, I'm wondering where
> > >> we are
> > >> >> with
> > >> >> > > this and whether I should be migrating the content?
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > Kelvin.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > On 24/01/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > Hi,
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > FYI, I have added "edit" permissions to all registered users.
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > Thanks,
> > >> >> > > > Raymond
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> > > > From: "ant elder" <an...@gmail.com>
> > >> >> > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> > >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:59 AM
> > >> >> > > > Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > > > On 1/23/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> >> > > > > <snip>
> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> >> > > > > 2) I'm not proposing to change the "edit" policy. The
> > >> >> > > > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ page also provides some
> > >> >> guidances
> > >> >> > for
> > >> >> > > > >> cases
> > >> >> > > > >> that we use it as a sandbox (open to all registered
> > >> users) or
> > >> >> > > > >> documentation
> > >> >> > > > >> site (open to folks with CLA on file).
> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> >> > > > > I also think all our content should be open to any
> > registered
> > >> >> user.
> > >> >> > We
> > >> >> > > > > want
> > >> >> > > > > everyone to help maintain it and thats going be more
> > >> likely to
> > >> >> > happen
> > >> >> > > if
> > >> >> > > > > we
> > >> >> > > > > make it easy for them. Its harder for users to send in
> > >> >> patches for
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > > > > wiki
> > >> >> > > > > :) Can we get update emails sent to the dev list so we
> > >> all can
> > >> >> > > monitor
> > >> >> > > > > the
> > >> >> > > > > changes?
> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> >> > > > > ...ant
> > >> >> > > > >
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >>
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> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > > >
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> Looks like a number of projects have already moved their web sites to
> > >> confluence, including Cayenne, Cxf, Qpid, Directory, Mina, Ode,
> > >> ServiceMix, Felix, Yoko, Wicket...
> > >>
> > >> The whole list is there:
> > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/dashboard.action
> > >>
> > >> --
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> > >>
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Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
Posted by Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org>.
haleh mahbod wrote:
> +1 for moving to cwiki. Much easier to use.
>
> On 2/7/07, Rick Rineholt <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have found having too many sources 2 wikis, the web site, doco checked
>> in to svn to be a major confusion and a general appearance
>> disorganization. I think we should at the very least now retire one of
>> the wiki sites. I'm for moving to cwiki.
>> Venkata Krishnan wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I guess the website and the wiki are both needed and am very much in
>> line
>> > with Dan's thoughts on what should go into each of this.
>> >
>> > I guess its now a question of whether we want to move our content
>> out of
>> > that old wike over CWIKI. I'd say we must go with CWIKI which is a
>> > lot more
>> > pleasant to look and feel.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > - Venkat
>> >
>> >
>> > On 2/8/07, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Dan Murphy wrote:
>> >> > Similar to Haleh's opinion... a hybrid of web and wiki seems to
>> make
>> >> > sense
>> >> > - use the web site for fairly static content but link from the
>> >> website
>> >> > directly to appropriate places in the wiki where the content is
>> likely
>> >> to
>> >> > change or hasn't fully been decided yet.
>> >> >
>> >> > For example, we could remove the "how to build, test and deploy
>> Java
>> >> SCA"
>> >> > off of the web site and instead link from the web page to a wiki
>> page.
>> >> > (IMHO) it becomes easier to maintain... perhaps if/when it settles
>> >> > down (or
>> >> > @ V1) we could merge it back into the web site. I'd be happy to
>> help
>> >> > maintain this because I can edit the wiki - for me to contribute to
>> >> > the web
>> >> > site takes much more effort... perhaps this isn't so important to
>> >> > others who
>> >> > are already committers...
>> >> >
>> >> > Dan
>> >> >
>> >> > On 07/02/07, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Rick had asked earlier "Two concerns come to mind if we make THE
>> >> >> website:
>> >> >> Is it backed up? can we get past revisions if needed ? Currently
>> our
>> >> >> website is
>> >> >> in svn which covers that.
>> >> >> The other is we have had past complaints that the site was not
>> >> "fancy"
>> >> >> organized
>> >> >> etc, are we confident this wiki can handle this?"
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Is Confluence backed up regularly?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Does it make sense to leave the website skeleton as is and move
>> all
>> >> >> documents to confluence WIKI? For example FAQ, design docs,
>> release
>> >> >> information and downloads, etc.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> It took us a while to get the website look and feel to where it is
>> >> right
>> >> >> now
>> >> >> and this is not the part that needs to be changed that often. We
>> >> should
>> >> >> not
>> >> >> move it until we have a good replacement.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 2/6/07, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Hi Kelvin,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > In my perception, we are moving over to the Confluence wiki -
>> >> >> > CWIKI. Infact
>> >> >> > some of the recent updates such as things we aspire to do for
>> >> SCA M3,
>> >> >> some
>> >> >> > documentation on SCA Deployment and FAQs have already found
>> place
>> >> >> there.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thanks
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > - Venkat
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On 2/6/07, kelvin goodson <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > As I'm updating a page on our old wiki, I'm wondering where
>> >> we are
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> > > this and whether I should be migrating the content?
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > Kelvin.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > On 24/01/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Hi,
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > FYI, I have added "edit" permissions to all registered
>> users.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > Thanks,
>> >> >> > > > Raymond
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> > > > From: "ant elder" <an...@gmail.com>
>> >> >> > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
>> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:59 AM
>> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > > On 1/23/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > <snip>
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > 2) I'm not proposing to change the "edit" policy. The
>> >> >> > > > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ page also provides some
>> >> >> guidances
>> >> >> > for
>> >> >> > > > >> cases
>> >> >> > > > >> that we use it as a sandbox (open to all registered
>> >> users) or
>> >> >> > > > >> documentation
>> >> >> > > > >> site (open to folks with CLA on file).
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > I also think all our content should be open to any
>> registered
>> >> >> user.
>> >> >> > We
>> >> >> > > > > want
>> >> >> > > > > everyone to help maintain it and thats going be more
>> >> likely to
>> >> >> > happen
>> >> >> > > if
>> >> >> > > > > we
>> >> >> > > > > make it easy for them. Its harder for users to send in
>> >> >> patches for
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > > > > wiki
>> >> >> > > > > :) Can we get update emails sent to the dev list so we
>> >> all can
>> >> >> > > monitor
>> >> >> > > > > the
>> >> >> > > > > changes?
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > ...ant
>> >> >> > > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
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>> tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> Looks like a number of projects have already moved their web sites to
>> >> confluence, including Cayenne, Cxf, Qpid, Directory, Mina, Ode,
>> >> ServiceMix, Felix, Yoko, Wicket...
>> >>
>> >> The whole list is there:
>> >> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/dashboard.action
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jean-Sebastien
>> >>
>> >>
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>
In addition to start moving our current Wiki to CWiki, I think it would
be a good idea to incrementally move parts of the current Web site (and
at some point the whole Web site) to CWiki as well. Cwiki is really easy
to use and I think this will encourage people to contribute more content
to the Web site.
--
Jean-Sebastien
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Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
Posted by haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com>.
+1 for moving to cwiki. Much easier to use.
On 2/7/07, Rick Rineholt <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have found having too many sources 2 wikis, the web site, doco checked
> in to svn to be a major confusion and a general appearance
> disorganization. I think we should at the very least now retire one of
> the wiki sites. I'm for moving to cwiki.
> Venkata Krishnan wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I guess the website and the wiki are both needed and am very much in
> line
> > with Dan's thoughts on what should go into each of this.
> >
> > I guess its now a question of whether we want to move our content out of
> > that old wike over CWIKI. I'd say we must go with CWIKI which is a
> > lot more
> > pleasant to look and feel.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > - Venkat
> >
> >
> > On 2/8/07, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dan Murphy wrote:
> >> > Similar to Haleh's opinion... a hybrid of web and wiki seems to make
> >> > sense
> >> > - use the web site for fairly static content but link from the
> >> website
> >> > directly to appropriate places in the wiki where the content is
> likely
> >> to
> >> > change or hasn't fully been decided yet.
> >> >
> >> > For example, we could remove the "how to build, test and deploy Java
> >> SCA"
> >> > off of the web site and instead link from the web page to a wiki
> page.
> >> > (IMHO) it becomes easier to maintain... perhaps if/when it settles
> >> > down (or
> >> > @ V1) we could merge it back into the web site. I'd be happy to help
> >> > maintain this because I can edit the wiki - for me to contribute to
> >> > the web
> >> > site takes much more effort... perhaps this isn't so important to
> >> > others who
> >> > are already committers...
> >> >
> >> > Dan
> >> >
> >> > On 07/02/07, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Rick had asked earlier "Two concerns come to mind if we make THE
> >> >> website:
> >> >> Is it backed up? can we get past revisions if needed ? Currently
> our
> >> >> website is
> >> >> in svn which covers that.
> >> >> The other is we have had past complaints that the site was not
> >> "fancy"
> >> >> organized
> >> >> etc, are we confident this wiki can handle this?"
> >> >>
> >> >> Is Confluence backed up regularly?
> >> >>
> >> >> Does it make sense to leave the website skeleton as is and move all
> >> >> documents to confluence WIKI? For example FAQ, design docs, release
> >> >> information and downloads, etc.
> >> >>
> >> >> It took us a while to get the website look and feel to where it is
> >> right
> >> >> now
> >> >> and this is not the part that needs to be changed that often. We
> >> should
> >> >> not
> >> >> move it until we have a good replacement.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 2/6/07, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Hi Kelvin,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > In my perception, we are moving over to the Confluence wiki -
> >> >> > CWIKI. Infact
> >> >> > some of the recent updates such as things we aspire to do for
> >> SCA M3,
> >> >> some
> >> >> > documentation on SCA Deployment and FAQs have already found place
> >> >> there.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thanks
> >> >> >
> >> >> > - Venkat
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 2/6/07, kelvin goodson <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > As I'm updating a page on our old wiki, I'm wondering where
> >> we are
> >> >> with
> >> >> > > this and whether I should be migrating the content?
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Kelvin.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > On 24/01/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Hi,
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > FYI, I have added "edit" permissions to all registered users.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > Thanks,
> >> >> > > > Raymond
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> > > > From: "ant elder" <an...@gmail.com>
> >> >> > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:59 AM
> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > > On 1/23/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > <snip>
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > 2) I'm not proposing to change the "edit" policy. The
> >> >> > > > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ page also provides some
> >> >> guidances
> >> >> > for
> >> >> > > > >> cases
> >> >> > > > >> that we use it as a sandbox (open to all registered
> >> users) or
> >> >> > > > >> documentation
> >> >> > > > >> site (open to folks with CLA on file).
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > I also think all our content should be open to any
> registered
> >> >> user.
> >> >> > We
> >> >> > > > > want
> >> >> > > > > everyone to help maintain it and thats going be more
> >> likely to
> >> >> > happen
> >> >> > > if
> >> >> > > > > we
> >> >> > > > > make it easy for them. Its harder for users to send in
> >> >> patches for
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > > > > wiki
> >> >> > > > > :) Can we get update emails sent to the dev list so we
> >> all can
> >> >> > > monitor
> >> >> > > > > the
> >> >> > > > > changes?
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > > > ...ant
> >> >> > > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> >> > > > For additional commands, e-mail:
> tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> Looks like a number of projects have already moved their web sites to
> >> confluence, including Cayenne, Cxf, Qpid, Directory, Mina, Ode,
> >> ServiceMix, Felix, Yoko, Wicket...
> >>
> >> The whole list is there:
> >> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/dashboard.action
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jean-Sebastien
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>
> >>
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Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
Posted by Rick Rineholt <cr...@gmail.com>.
I have found having too many sources 2 wikis, the web site, doco checked
in to svn to be a major confusion and a general appearance
disorganization. I think we should at the very least now retire one of
the wiki sites. I'm for moving to cwiki.
Venkata Krishnan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I guess the website and the wiki are both needed and am very much in line
> with Dan's thoughts on what should go into each of this.
>
> I guess its now a question of whether we want to move our content out of
> that old wike over CWIKI. I'd say we must go with CWIKI which is a
> lot more
> pleasant to look and feel.
>
> Thanks
>
> - Venkat
>
>
> On 2/8/07, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Dan Murphy wrote:
>> > Similar to Haleh's opinion... a hybrid of web and wiki seems to make
>> > sense
>> > - use the web site for fairly static content but link from the
>> website
>> > directly to appropriate places in the wiki where the content is likely
>> to
>> > change or hasn't fully been decided yet.
>> >
>> > For example, we could remove the "how to build, test and deploy Java
>> SCA"
>> > off of the web site and instead link from the web page to a wiki page.
>> > (IMHO) it becomes easier to maintain... perhaps if/when it settles
>> > down (or
>> > @ V1) we could merge it back into the web site. I'd be happy to help
>> > maintain this because I can edit the wiki - for me to contribute to
>> > the web
>> > site takes much more effort... perhaps this isn't so important to
>> > others who
>> > are already committers...
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> > On 07/02/07, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Rick had asked earlier "Two concerns come to mind if we make THE
>> >> website:
>> >> Is it backed up? can we get past revisions if needed ? Currently our
>> >> website is
>> >> in svn which covers that.
>> >> The other is we have had past complaints that the site was not
>> "fancy"
>> >> organized
>> >> etc, are we confident this wiki can handle this?"
>> >>
>> >> Is Confluence backed up regularly?
>> >>
>> >> Does it make sense to leave the website skeleton as is and move all
>> >> documents to confluence WIKI? For example FAQ, design docs, release
>> >> information and downloads, etc.
>> >>
>> >> It took us a while to get the website look and feel to where it is
>> right
>> >> now
>> >> and this is not the part that needs to be changed that often. We
>> should
>> >> not
>> >> move it until we have a good replacement.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 2/6/07, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi Kelvin,
>> >> >
>> >> > In my perception, we are moving over to the Confluence wiki -
>> >> > CWIKI. Infact
>> >> > some of the recent updates such as things we aspire to do for
>> SCA M3,
>> >> some
>> >> > documentation on SCA Deployment and FAQs have already found place
>> >> there.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> >
>> >> > - Venkat
>> >> >
>> >> > On 2/6/07, kelvin goodson <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > As I'm updating a page on our old wiki, I'm wondering where
>> we are
>> >> with
>> >> > > this and whether I should be migrating the content?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Kelvin.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On 24/01/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Hi,
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > FYI, I have added "edit" permissions to all registered users.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Thanks,
>> >> > > > Raymond
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > > From: "ant elder" <an...@gmail.com>
>> >> > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
>> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:59 AM
>> >> > > > Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > On 1/23/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > <snip>
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > 2) I'm not proposing to change the "edit" policy. The
>> >> > > > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ page also provides some
>> >> guidances
>> >> > for
>> >> > > > >> cases
>> >> > > > >> that we use it as a sandbox (open to all registered
>> users) or
>> >> > > > >> documentation
>> >> > > > >> site (open to folks with CLA on file).
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > I also think all our content should be open to any registered
>> >> user.
>> >> > We
>> >> > > > > want
>> >> > > > > everyone to help maintain it and thats going be more
>> likely to
>> >> > happen
>> >> > > if
>> >> > > > > we
>> >> > > > > make it easy for them. Its harder for users to send in
>> >> patches for
>> >> > the
>> >> > > > > wiki
>> >> > > > > :) Can we get update emails sent to the dev list so we
>> all can
>> >> > > monitor
>> >> > > > > the
>> >> > > > > changes?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > ...ant
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
>> >> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> Looks like a number of projects have already moved their web sites to
>> confluence, including Cayenne, Cxf, Qpid, Directory, Mina, Ode,
>> ServiceMix, Felix, Yoko, Wicket...
>>
>> The whole list is there:
>> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/dashboard.action
>>
>> --
>> Jean-Sebastien
>>
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
Posted by Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I guess the website and the wiki are both needed and am very much in line
with Dan's thoughts on what should go into each of this.
I guess its now a question of whether we want to move our content out of
that old wike over CWIKI. I'd say we must go with CWIKI which is a lot more
pleasant to look and feel.
Thanks
- Venkat
On 2/8/07, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Dan Murphy wrote:
> > Similar to Haleh's opinion... a hybrid of web and wiki seems to make
> > sense
> > - use the web site for fairly static content but link from the website
> > directly to appropriate places in the wiki where the content is likely
> to
> > change or hasn't fully been decided yet.
> >
> > For example, we could remove the "how to build, test and deploy Java
> SCA"
> > off of the web site and instead link from the web page to a wiki page.
> > (IMHO) it becomes easier to maintain... perhaps if/when it settles
> > down (or
> > @ V1) we could merge it back into the web site. I'd be happy to help
> > maintain this because I can edit the wiki - for me to contribute to
> > the web
> > site takes much more effort... perhaps this isn't so important to
> > others who
> > are already committers...
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > On 07/02/07, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Rick had asked earlier "Two concerns come to mind if we make THE
> >> website:
> >> Is it backed up? can we get past revisions if needed ? Currently our
> >> website is
> >> in svn which covers that.
> >> The other is we have had past complaints that the site was not "fancy"
> >> organized
> >> etc, are we confident this wiki can handle this?"
> >>
> >> Is Confluence backed up regularly?
> >>
> >> Does it make sense to leave the website skeleton as is and move all
> >> documents to confluence WIKI? For example FAQ, design docs, release
> >> information and downloads, etc.
> >>
> >> It took us a while to get the website look and feel to where it is
> right
> >> now
> >> and this is not the part that needs to be changed that often. We should
> >> not
> >> move it until we have a good replacement.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2/6/07, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi Kelvin,
> >> >
> >> > In my perception, we are moving over to the Confluence wiki -
> >> > CWIKI. Infact
> >> > some of the recent updates such as things we aspire to do for SCA M3,
> >> some
> >> > documentation on SCA Deployment and FAQs have already found place
> >> there.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > - Venkat
> >> >
> >> > On 2/6/07, kelvin goodson <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > As I'm updating a page on our old wiki, I'm wondering where we are
> >> with
> >> > > this and whether I should be migrating the content?
> >> > >
> >> > > Kelvin.
> >> > >
> >> > > On 24/01/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > FYI, I have added "edit" permissions to all registered users.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks,
> >> > > > Raymond
> >> > > >
> >> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > From: "ant elder" <an...@gmail.com>
> >> > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:59 AM
> >> > > > Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > On 1/23/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > <snip>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > 2) I'm not proposing to change the "edit" policy. The
> >> > > > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ page also provides some
> >> guidances
> >> > for
> >> > > > >> cases
> >> > > > >> that we use it as a sandbox (open to all registered users) or
> >> > > > >> documentation
> >> > > > >> site (open to folks with CLA on file).
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I also think all our content should be open to any registered
> >> user.
> >> > We
> >> > > > > want
> >> > > > > everyone to help maintain it and thats going be more likely to
> >> > happen
> >> > > if
> >> > > > > we
> >> > > > > make it easy for them. Its harder for users to send in
> >> patches for
> >> > the
> >> > > > > wiki
> >> > > > > :) Can we get update emails sent to the dev list so we all can
> >> > > monitor
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > changes?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > ...ant
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> Looks like a number of projects have already moved their web sites to
> confluence, including Cayenne, Cxf, Qpid, Directory, Mina, Ode,
> ServiceMix, Felix, Yoko, Wicket...
>
> The whole list is there:
> http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/dashboard.action
>
> --
> Jean-Sebastien
>
>
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Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
Posted by Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org>.
Dan Murphy wrote:
> Similar to Haleh's opinion... a hybrid of web and wiki seems to make
> sense
> - use the web site for fairly static content but link from the website
> directly to appropriate places in the wiki where the content is likely to
> change or hasn't fully been decided yet.
>
> For example, we could remove the "how to build, test and deploy Java SCA"
> off of the web site and instead link from the web page to a wiki page.
> (IMHO) it becomes easier to maintain... perhaps if/when it settles
> down (or
> @ V1) we could merge it back into the web site. I'd be happy to help
> maintain this because I can edit the wiki - for me to contribute to
> the web
> site takes much more effort... perhaps this isn't so important to
> others who
> are already committers...
>
> Dan
>
> On 07/02/07, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Rick had asked earlier "Two concerns come to mind if we make THE
>> website:
>> Is it backed up? can we get past revisions if needed ? Currently our
>> website is
>> in svn which covers that.
>> The other is we have had past complaints that the site was not "fancy"
>> organized
>> etc, are we confident this wiki can handle this?"
>>
>> Is Confluence backed up regularly?
>>
>> Does it make sense to leave the website skeleton as is and move all
>> documents to confluence WIKI? For example FAQ, design docs, release
>> information and downloads, etc.
>>
>> It took us a while to get the website look and feel to where it is right
>> now
>> and this is not the part that needs to be changed that often. We should
>> not
>> move it until we have a good replacement.
>>
>>
>> On 2/6/07, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Kelvin,
>> >
>> > In my perception, we are moving over to the Confluence wiki -
>> > CWIKI. Infact
>> > some of the recent updates such as things we aspire to do for SCA M3,
>> some
>> > documentation on SCA Deployment and FAQs have already found place
>> there.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > - Venkat
>> >
>> > On 2/6/07, kelvin goodson <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > As I'm updating a page on our old wiki, I'm wondering where we are
>> with
>> > > this and whether I should be migrating the content?
>> > >
>> > > Kelvin.
>> > >
>> > > On 24/01/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > >
>> > > > FYI, I have added "edit" permissions to all registered users.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > > Raymond
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > From: "ant elder" <an...@gmail.com>
>> > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
>> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:59 AM
>> > > > Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > On 1/23/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > <snip>
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 2) I'm not proposing to change the "edit" policy. The
>> > > > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ page also provides some
>> guidances
>> > for
>> > > > >> cases
>> > > > >> that we use it as a sandbox (open to all registered users) or
>> > > > >> documentation
>> > > > >> site (open to folks with CLA on file).
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I also think all our content should be open to any registered
>> user.
>> > We
>> > > > > want
>> > > > > everyone to help maintain it and thats going be more likely to
>> > happen
>> > > if
>> > > > > we
>> > > > > make it easy for them. Its harder for users to send in
>> patches for
>> > the
>> > > > > wiki
>> > > > > :) Can we get update emails sent to the dev list so we all can
>> > > monitor
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > changes?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > ...ant
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
Looks like a number of projects have already moved their web sites to
confluence, including Cayenne, Cxf, Qpid, Directory, Mina, Ode,
ServiceMix, Felix, Yoko, Wicket...
The whole list is there: http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/dashboard.action
--
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Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
Posted by Dan Murphy <dm...@googlemail.com>.
Similar to Haleh's opinion... a hybrid of web and wiki seems to make sense
- use the web site for fairly static content but link from the website
directly to appropriate places in the wiki where the content is likely to
change or hasn't fully been decided yet.
For example, we could remove the "how to build, test and deploy Java SCA"
off of the web site and instead link from the web page to a wiki page.
(IMHO) it becomes easier to maintain... perhaps if/when it settles down (or
@ V1) we could merge it back into the web site. I'd be happy to help
maintain this because I can edit the wiki - for me to contribute to the web
site takes much more effort... perhaps this isn't so important to others who
are already committers...
Dan
On 07/02/07, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Rick had asked earlier "Two concerns come to mind if we make THE website:
> Is it backed up? can we get past revisions if needed ? Currently our
> website is
> in svn which covers that.
> The other is we have had past complaints that the site was not "fancy"
> organized
> etc, are we confident this wiki can handle this?"
>
> Is Confluence backed up regularly?
>
> Does it make sense to leave the website skeleton as is and move all
> documents to confluence WIKI? For example FAQ, design docs, release
> information and downloads, etc.
>
> It took us a while to get the website look and feel to where it is right
> now
> and this is not the part that needs to be changed that often. We should
> not
> move it until we have a good replacement.
>
>
> On 2/6/07, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Kelvin,
> >
> > In my perception, we are moving over to the Confluence wiki -
> > CWIKI. Infact
> > some of the recent updates such as things we aspire to do for SCA M3,
> some
> > documentation on SCA Deployment and FAQs have already found place there.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > - Venkat
> >
> > On 2/6/07, kelvin goodson <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > As I'm updating a page on our old wiki, I'm wondering where we are
> with
> > > this and whether I should be migrating the content?
> > >
> > > Kelvin.
> > >
> > > On 24/01/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > FYI, I have added "edit" permissions to all registered users.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Raymond
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "ant elder" <an...@gmail.com>
> > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:59 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 1/23/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) I'm not proposing to change the "edit" policy. The
> > > > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ page also provides some guidances
> > for
> > > > >> cases
> > > > >> that we use it as a sandbox (open to all registered users) or
> > > > >> documentation
> > > > >> site (open to folks with CLA on file).
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I also think all our content should be open to any registered
> user.
> > We
> > > > > want
> > > > > everyone to help maintain it and thats going be more likely to
> > happen
> > > if
> > > > > we
> > > > > make it easy for them. Its harder for users to send in patches for
> > the
> > > > > wiki
> > > > > :) Can we get update emails sent to the dev list so we all can
> > > monitor
> > > > > the
> > > > > changes?
> > > > >
> > > > > ...ant
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
Posted by Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com>.
Some comments inline.
Thanks,
Raymond
----- Original Message -----
From: "haleh mahbod" <hm...@gmail.com>
To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
Cc: <ke...@thegoodsons.org.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
> Rick had asked earlier "Two concerns come to mind if we make THE website:
> Is it backed up? can we get past revisions if needed ? Currently our
> website is
> in svn which covers that.
> The other is we have had past complaints that the site was not "fancy"
> organized
> etc, are we confident this wiki can handle this?"
>
> Is Confluence backed up regularly?
1. The CWIKI supports "history". You can see the changes in a very nice diff
page and you see the page history.
2. The CWIKI is "autoexport"ed if we use it as a web site. The CWIKI adopts
a hierarchy for pages in a space, meaning you can have child pages for a
page.
3. The Apache CWIKI is backed up. Please see http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/.
>
> Does it make sense to leave the website skeleton as is and move all
> documents to confluence WIKI? For example FAQ, design docs, release
> information and downloads, etc.
>
We didn't do a massive migration. I would suggest that we migrate the
contents on-demand. There are conversion tools available from Conflunece to
convert pages from other wikis into CWIKI.
> It took us a while to get the website look and feel to where it is right
> now
> and this is not the part that needs to be changed that often. We should
> not
> move it until we have a good replacement.
+1
>
>
> On 2/6/07, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kelvin,
>>
>> In my perception, we are moving over to the Confluence wiki -
>> CWIKI. Infact
>> some of the recent updates such as things we aspire to do for SCA M3,
>> some
>> documentation on SCA Deployment and FAQs have already found place there.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> - Venkat
>>
>> On 2/6/07, kelvin goodson <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > As I'm updating a page on our old wiki, I'm wondering where we are
>> > with
>> > this and whether I should be migrating the content?
>> >
>> > Kelvin.
>> >
>> > On 24/01/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > FYI, I have added "edit" permissions to all registered users.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > > Raymond
>> > >
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: "ant elder" <an...@gmail.com>
>> > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:59 AM
>> > > Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > On 1/23/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > <snip>
>> > > >
>> > > > 2) I'm not proposing to change the "edit" policy. The
>> > > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ page also provides some guidances
>> for
>> > > >> cases
>> > > >> that we use it as a sandbox (open to all registered users) or
>> > > >> documentation
>> > > >> site (open to folks with CLA on file).
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > I also think all our content should be open to any registered user.
>> We
>> > > > want
>> > > > everyone to help maintain it and thats going be more likely to
>> happen
>> > if
>> > > > we
>> > > > make it easy for them. Its harder for users to send in patches for
>> the
>> > > > wiki
>> > > > :) Can we get update emails sent to the dev list so we all can
>> > monitor
>> > > > the
>> > > > changes?
>> > > >
>> > > > ...ant
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
>> > > For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
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Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
Posted by haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com>.
Rick had asked earlier "Two concerns come to mind if we make THE website:
Is it backed up? can we get past revisions if needed ? Currently our
website is
in svn which covers that.
The other is we have had past complaints that the site was not "fancy"
organized
etc, are we confident this wiki can handle this?"
Is Confluence backed up regularly?
Does it make sense to leave the website skeleton as is and move all
documents to confluence WIKI? For example FAQ, design docs, release
information and downloads, etc.
It took us a while to get the website look and feel to where it is right now
and this is not the part that needs to be changed that often. We should not
move it until we have a good replacement.
On 2/6/07, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Kelvin,
>
> In my perception, we are moving over to the Confluence wiki -
> CWIKI. Infact
> some of the recent updates such as things we aspire to do for SCA M3, some
> documentation on SCA Deployment and FAQs have already found place there.
>
> Thanks
>
> - Venkat
>
> On 2/6/07, kelvin goodson <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > As I'm updating a page on our old wiki, I'm wondering where we are with
> > this and whether I should be migrating the content?
> >
> > Kelvin.
> >
> > On 24/01/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > FYI, I have added "edit" permissions to all registered users.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Raymond
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "ant elder" <an...@gmail.com>
> > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:59 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
> > >
> > >
> > > > On 1/23/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > 2) I'm not proposing to change the "edit" policy. The
> > > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ page also provides some guidances
> for
> > > >> cases
> > > >> that we use it as a sandbox (open to all registered users) or
> > > >> documentation
> > > >> site (open to folks with CLA on file).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I also think all our content should be open to any registered user.
> We
> > > > want
> > > > everyone to help maintain it and thats going be more likely to
> happen
> > if
> > > > we
> > > > make it easy for them. Its harder for users to send in patches for
> the
> > > > wiki
> > > > :) Can we get update emails sent to the dev list so we all can
> > monitor
> > > > the
> > > > changes?
> > > >
> > > > ...ant
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
Posted by Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com>.
Hi Kelvin,
In my perception, we are moving over to the Confluence wiki - CWIKI. Infact
some of the recent updates such as things we aspire to do for SCA M3, some
documentation on SCA Deployment and FAQs have already found place there.
Thanks
- Venkat
On 2/6/07, kelvin goodson <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As I'm updating a page on our old wiki, I'm wondering where we are with
> this and whether I should be migrating the content?
>
> Kelvin.
>
> On 24/01/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > FYI, I have added "edit" permissions to all registered users.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Raymond
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ant elder" <an...@gmail.com>
> > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 4:59 AM
> > Subject: Re: Move Tuscany wiki to Apache CWIKI?
> >
> >
> > > On 1/23/07, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > 2) I'm not proposing to change the "edit" policy. The
> > >> http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/ page also provides some guidances for
> > >> cases
> > >> that we use it as a sandbox (open to all registered users) or
> > >> documentation
> > >> site (open to folks with CLA on file).
> > >
> > >
> > > I also think all our content should be open to any registered user. We
> > > want
> > > everyone to help maintain it and thats going be more likely to happen
> if
> > > we
> > > make it easy for them. Its harder for users to send in patches for the
> > > wiki
> > > :) Can we get update emails sent to the dev list so we all can
> monitor
> > > the
> > > changes?
> > >
> > > ...ant
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
> >
> >
>