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Java 1.5
How much longer with this Java 1.5 business? It' a giant pain.
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Re: Java 1.5
Posted by Arnaud Héritier <ah...@gmail.com>.
I think we might just use animal sniffer to check such compatibility if we want to keep it. Not 100% safe but enought to cover a respectable compatibility
My 2 cents
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On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> The business of being required to use it in all Maven releases, which
> adds a layer of VM complexity to my process.
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Dennis Lundberg <de...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Which business are you referring to?
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> How much longer with this Java 1.5 business? It' a giant pain.
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Re: Java 1.5
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
The business of being required to use it in all Maven releases, which
adds a layer of VM complexity to my process.
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Dennis Lundberg <de...@apache.org> wrote:
> Which business are you referring to?
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> How much longer with this Java 1.5 business? It' a giant pain.
>>
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Re: Java 1.5
Posted by Dennis Lundberg <de...@apache.org>.
Which business are you referring to?
On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 8:02 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How much longer with this Java 1.5 business? It' a giant pain.
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Re: Java 1.5
Posted by Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com>.
On 22 February 2014 22:00, Baptiste Mathus <ml...@batmat.net> wrote:
> +1 to dump Java5 compat. In about 2 months, even Java 6 will rapidly become
> old. We're already using Java 1.7 at our shop, and plan to migrate to 1.8
> asap. And we're really not a startup kind of company ;-). And I'm sure the
> features in 1.8 (compared to the ones in the previous version) is gonna
> accelerate the move. Sure you'll always companies where migration is said
> to be hard, but any move being made would be considered hard to absorb by
> those anyway... :)
>
> Stephen, when talking about version policy in the current context, do you
> mean something like "any plugin could from now on be released with 1.6+
> requirement, you would just have to make sure to bump the MAJOR (or only
> minor?) version number to acknowledge the change" ?
>
Well I think that a MINOR bump suffices... but perhaps we should doc it.
FWIW I would be happy to say that any JVM which is more than 12 months
since being declared EOL by Oracle is one that we don't bother with... has
the side effect that our next minor version can require Java 7 as a
minimum... but we are now OT
>
>
> 2014-02-22 21:26 GMT+01:00 Stephen Connolly <
> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com
> >:
>
> > If a plugin depends on Maven 2.2.1 through 3.1.1 then we are stuck with
> > Java 1.5
> >
> > Hence my version policy that you lot are all ignoring commenting on... No
> > comments means I'll just put it up for a vote ;-)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On 22 Feb 2014, at 20:10, "Arnaud Héritier" <ah...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > ;) AFAIR for core yes. New releases (thus 3.2) should be certified 1.6+
> > >
> > >
> > > For plugins it's another story I suppose depending of the version of
> > maven core they are supposed to support..
> > > --
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> > >
> > >> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@tesla.io>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Didn't we decide that everything can be 1.6? I remember because it was
> > one of Stephen's overly long emails :-)
> > >> jvz
> > >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Benson Margulies <
> bimargulies@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> How much longer with this Java 1.5 business? It' a giant pain.
> > >>>
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> >
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Re: Java 1.5
Posted by Baptiste Mathus <ml...@batmat.net>.
+1 to dump Java5 compat. In about 2 months, even Java 6 will rapidly become
old. We're already using Java 1.7 at our shop, and plan to migrate to 1.8
asap. And we're really not a startup kind of company ;-). And I'm sure the
features in 1.8 (compared to the ones in the previous version) is gonna
accelerate the move. Sure you'll always companies where migration is said
to be hard, but any move being made would be considered hard to absorb by
those anyway... :)
Stephen, when talking about version policy in the current context, do you
mean something like "any plugin could from now on be released with 1.6+
requirement, you would just have to make sure to bump the MAJOR (or only
minor?) version number to acknowledge the change" ?
2014-02-22 21:26 GMT+01:00 Stephen Connolly <stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com
>:
> If a plugin depends on Maven 2.2.1 through 3.1.1 then we are stuck with
> Java 1.5
>
> Hence my version policy that you lot are all ignoring commenting on... No
> comments means I'll just put it up for a vote ;-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 22 Feb 2014, at 20:10, "Arnaud Héritier" <ah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ;) AFAIR for core yes. New releases (thus 3.2) should be certified 1.6+
> >
> >
> > For plugins it's another story I suppose depending of the version of
> maven core they are supposed to support..
> > —
> > Sent from Mailbox for iPhone
> >
> >> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@tesla.io> wrote:
> >>
> >> Didn't we decide that everything can be 1.6? I remember because it was
> one of Stephen's overly long emails :-)
> >> jvz
> >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How much longer with this Java 1.5 business? It' a giant pain.
> >>>
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Re: Java 1.5
Posted by Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com>.
If a plugin depends on Maven 2.2.1 through 3.1.1 then we are stuck with Java 1.5
Hence my version policy that you lot are all ignoring commenting on... No comments means I'll just put it up for a vote ;-)
Sent from my iPhone
> On 22 Feb 2014, at 20:10, "Arnaud Héritier" <ah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ;) AFAIR for core yes. New releases (thus 3.2) should be certified 1.6+
>
>
> For plugins it's another story I suppose depending of the version of maven core they are supposed to support..
> —
> Sent from Mailbox for iPhone
>
>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@tesla.io> wrote:
>>
>> Didn't we decide that everything can be 1.6? I remember because it was one of Stephen's overly long emails :-)
>> jvz
>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> How much longer with this Java 1.5 business? It' a giant pain.
>>>
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Re: Java 1.5
Posted by Arnaud Héritier <ah...@gmail.com>.
;) AFAIR for core yes. New releases (thus 3.2) should be certified 1.6+
For plugins it's another story I suppose depending of the version of maven core they are supposed to support..
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On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@tesla.io> wrote:
> Didn't we decide that everything can be 1.6? I remember because it was one of Stephen's overly long emails :-)
> jvz
>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> How much longer with this Java 1.5 business? It' a giant pain.
>>
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Re: Java 1.5
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io>.
It's not political correctness (I've never been accused of that before), it's just self interest in protecting myself against unintended imagery...
On Feb 22, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote:
> Ok, I promise never to poke fun if you promise never to never again use the word "hump" in an email to this list.
>
> On Feb 22, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Somehow with my brief emails you find some misinterpretation to take a hump at! Verbose or misunderstood... You decide ;-)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 22 Feb 2014, at 20:03, Jason van Zyl <ja...@tesla.io> wrote:
>>>
>>> Didn't we decide that everything can be 1.6? I remember because it was one of Stephen's overly long emails :-)
>>>
>>> jvz
>>>
>>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How much longer with this Java 1.5 business? It' a giant pain.
>>>>
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> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
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> Founder, Apache Maven
> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> http://twitter.com/takari_io
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>
> The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is,
> the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
>
> -- John Kenneth Galbraith
>
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>
Thanks,
Jason
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Re: Java 1.5
Posted by Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com>.
You are overly politically correct. I should take offence!
On 22 February 2014 23:31, Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io> wrote:
> Ok, I promise never to poke fun if you promise never to never again use
> the word "hump" in an email to this list.
>
> On Feb 22, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Stephen Connolly <
> stephen.alan.connolly@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Somehow with my brief emails you find some misinterpretation to take a
> hump at! Verbose or misunderstood... You decide ;-)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On 22 Feb 2014, at 20:03, Jason van Zyl <ja...@tesla.io> wrote:
> >>
> >> Didn't we decide that everything can be 1.6? I remember because it was
> one of Stephen's overly long emails :-)
> >>
> >> jvz
> >>
> >>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How much longer with this Java 1.5 business? It' a giant pain.
> >>>
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>
> Thanks,
>
> Jason
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> Jason van Zyl
> Founder, Apache Maven
> http://twitter.com/jvanzyl
> http://twitter.com/takari_io
> ---------------------------------------------------------
>
> The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in
> moral philosophy; that is,
> the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
>
> -- John Kenneth Galbraith
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Re: Java 1.5
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@takari.io>.
Ok, I promise never to poke fun if you promise never to never again use the word "hump" in an email to this list.
On Feb 22, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Somehow with my brief emails you find some misinterpretation to take a hump at! Verbose or misunderstood... You decide ;-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 22 Feb 2014, at 20:03, Jason van Zyl <ja...@tesla.io> wrote:
>>
>> Didn't we decide that everything can be 1.6? I remember because it was one of Stephen's overly long emails :-)
>>
>> jvz
>>
>>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> How much longer with this Java 1.5 business? It' a giant pain.
>>>
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Thanks,
Jason
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http://twitter.com/takari_io
---------------------------------------------------------
The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is,
the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.
-- John Kenneth Galbraith
Re: Java 1.5
Posted by Stephen Connolly <st...@gmail.com>.
Somehow with my brief emails you find some misinterpretation to take a hump at! Verbose or misunderstood... You decide ;-)
Sent from my iPhone
> On 22 Feb 2014, at 20:03, Jason van Zyl <ja...@tesla.io> wrote:
>
> Didn't we decide that everything can be 1.6? I remember because it was one of Stephen's overly long emails :-)
>
> jvz
>
>> On Feb 22, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> How much longer with this Java 1.5 business? It' a giant pain.
>>
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Re: Java 1.5
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@tesla.io>.
Didn't we decide that everything can be 1.6? I remember because it was one of Stephen's overly long emails :-)
jvz
> On Feb 22, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> How much longer with this Java 1.5 business? It' a giant pain.
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