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Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Neil Zanella schrieb:
>[...]
>
>
>This sets CATALINA_HOME correctly according to the current installation of
>tomcat4 under /var/tomcat4 (whose correctness according to FHS I am not
>yet convinced of).
>
>
What's the official recommendation?
The RedHat rpm, which BTW is not marked as RedHat in jakarta download
area, installs in /var/tomcat4. UnitedLinux 1.0 installs in
/opt/jakarta/tomcat. I thought it would be a good idea to install in
/usr/java/tomcat.
Hayo
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Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Posted by John Turner <to...@johnturner.com>.
Oops...that should be "Context's docBase".
John
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 08:28:45 -0400, John Turner <tomcat-
user@johnturner.com> wrote:
>
> That's why the best practice is to set CATALINA_HOME and JAVA_HOME and be
> done with it.
>
> The only time your multiple environments (many operating systems) cause
> problems is if developers are lazy and hardcode paths into their
> properties and source code.
>
> If you don't hardcode paths, you can refer to the environment variables
> that all the documentation says to use: CATALINA_HOME for the location
> of Tomcat, and JAVA_HOME for the location of the JDK. Since the servlet
> specification is written to encourage web-app portability, properly using
> relative paths and properly using environment variables such as
> CATALINA_HOME is the best practice, since all files that the web
> application needs will either be under the Host's docBase or in some
> other location reachable by Tomcat's ClassLoader. Simple.
>
> John
>
> On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:07:42 +0200, Hayo Schmidt <st...@hayo.de> wrote:
>
>> <off-topic>I have a Folder C:\Programme and a Folder C:\Program Files on
>> my windows system, just because some installers are not programmed
>> correctly.</off-topic>.
>>
>> The point is, i can do what i like with my personal system. But i am
>> working together with colleagues and clients, i might use several
>> systems (FreeBSD, SuSE, Mandrake, Debian...) that members of my computer
>> club (http://www.hmh-ev.de) have set up. And all people can do what they
>> like on their systems.
>>
>> Having an official *recommendation*, just that, would make life much
>> easier than it is now.
>>
>> Yes, standards make life easier.
>>
>> Hayo
>>
>> Jason Bainbridge schrieb:
>>
>>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:09, Hayo Schmidt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The different locations make it difficult to understand systems other
>>>> people have set up. And that wastes time.
>>>>
>>>> This obviously is a general problem of Linux.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I hate statements like that... What about the fact that one of the
>>> first options within just about any Windows based installset is to
>>> select the location you wish to install to? I've seen C:\Program
>>> Files\, D:\Program Files and even on E:...
>>>
>>> So it's a quirk of human nature not of any O/S related problem,
>>> different people like different things so they do things differently.
>>> :)
>>>
>>> At least on Linux normal users are restricted to their Home directory
>>> so they can't muck up the actual filesystem without knowing at least a
>>> little about what they are doing...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Posted by John Turner <to...@johnturner.com>.
That's why the best practice is to set CATALINA_HOME and JAVA_HOME and be
done with it.
The only time your multiple environments (many operating systems) cause
problems is if developers are lazy and hardcode paths into their properties
and source code.
If you don't hardcode paths, you can refer to the environment variables
that all the documentation says to use: CATALINA_HOME for the location of
Tomcat, and JAVA_HOME for the location of the JDK. Since the servlet
specification is written to encourage web-app portability, properly using
relative paths and properly using environment variables such as
CATALINA_HOME is the best practice, since all files that the web
application needs will either be under the Host's docBase or in some other
location reachable by Tomcat's ClassLoader. Simple.
John
On Thu, 26 Jun 2003 12:07:42 +0200, Hayo Schmidt <st...@hayo.de> wrote:
> <off-topic>I have a Folder C:\Programme and a Folder C:\Program Files on
> my windows system, just because some installers are not programmed
> correctly.</off-topic>.
>
> The point is, i can do what i like with my personal system. But i am
> working together with colleagues and clients, i might use several
> systems (FreeBSD, SuSE, Mandrake, Debian...) that members of my computer
> club (http://www.hmh-ev.de) have set up. And all people can do what they
> like on their systems.
>
> Having an official *recommendation*, just that, would make life much
> easier than it is now.
>
> Yes, standards make life easier.
>
> Hayo
>
> Jason Bainbridge schrieb:
>
>> On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:09, Hayo Schmidt wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The different locations make it difficult to understand systems other
>>> people have set up. And that wastes time.
>>>
>>> This obviously is a general problem of Linux.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I hate statements like that... What about the fact that one of the first
>> options within just about any Windows based installset is to select the
>> location you wish to install to? I've seen C:\Program Files\, D:\Program
>> Files and even on E:...
>>
>> So it's a quirk of human nature not of any O/S related problem,
>> different people like different things so they do things differently. :)
>>
>> At least on Linux normal users are restricted to their Home directory so
>> they can't muck up the actual filesystem without knowing at least a
>> little about what they are doing...
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Posted by Hayo Schmidt <st...@hayo.de>.
<off-topic>I have a Folder C:\Programme and a Folder C:\Program Files on
my windows system, just because some installers are not programmed
correctly.</off-topic>.
The point is, i can do what i like with my personal system. But i am
working together with colleagues and clients, i might use several
systems (FreeBSD, SuSE, Mandrake, Debian...) that members of my computer
club (http://www.hmh-ev.de) have set up. And all people can do what they
like on their systems.
Having an official *recommendation*, just that, would make life much
easier than it is now.
Yes, standards make life easier.
Hayo
Jason Bainbridge schrieb:
>On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:09, Hayo Schmidt wrote:
>
>
>>The different locations make it difficult to understand systems other
>>people have set up. And that wastes time.
>>
>>This obviously is a general problem of Linux.
>>
>>
>
>I hate statements like that... What about the fact that one of the first
>options within just about any Windows based installset is to select the
>location you wish to install to? I've seen C:\Program Files\, D:\Program
>Files and even on E:...
>
>So it's a quirk of human nature not of any O/S related problem, different
>people like different things so they do things differently. :)
>
>At least on Linux normal users are restricted to their Home directory so they
>can't muck up the actual filesystem without knowing at least a little about
>what they are doing...
>
>
>
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Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Posted by Jonathan Peterson <jp...@bmjgroup.com>.
Jason Bainbridge wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:09, Hayo Schmidt wrote:
>
>
>>The different locations make it difficult to understand systems other
>>people have set up. And that wastes time.
>>
>>This obviously is a general problem of Linux.
>>
>>
It's more a problem of people not documenting stuff. The more you
deviate from the accepted standard the more you have to document. If
there are no accepted standards you have to document even more. I'm not
sure Linux or windows are better or worse than each other in this
respect. In both cases I've met software that grumbled about not being
installed "the way it expected" which is very annoying.
>
>
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Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Posted by Jason Bainbridge <ja...@jblinux.org>.
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:09, Hayo Schmidt wrote:
> The different locations make it difficult to understand systems other
> people have set up. And that wastes time.
>
> This obviously is a general problem of Linux.
I hate statements like that... What about the fact that one of the first
options within just about any Windows based installset is to select the
location you wish to install to? I've seen C:\Program Files\, D:\Program
Files and even on E:...
So it's a quirk of human nature not of any O/S related problem, different
people like different things so they do things differently. :)
At least on Linux normal users are restricted to their Home directory so they
can't muck up the actual filesystem without knowing at least a little about
what they are doing...
--
Jason Bainbridge
http://jblinux.org
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Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Posted by John Turner <to...@johnturner.com>.
Your comment is incorrect and illogical.
Every UNIX or Linux system on and off the planet has the capability to have
a directory called /usr/local.
Where you put your distribution is up to you. That's the beauty of open
source, you can do what you like.
If you are using a specific package distribution such as a RPM, then the
RPM will put the files where they need to go and your question is moot.
John
On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:09:00 +0200, Hayo Schmidt <st...@hayo.de> wrote:
> The different locations make it difficult to understand systems other
> people have set up. And that wastes time.
>
> This obviously is a general problem of Linux.
>
> Hayo
>
> John Turner schrieb:
>
>>
>> I don't think there is an official recommendation. I put anything
>> unrelated to the official OS distribution under /usr/local, but that's
>> me.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:25:14 +0200, Hayo Schmidt <st...@hayo.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Neil Zanella schrieb:
>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This sets CATALINA_HOME correctly according to the current
>>>> installation of tomcat4 under /var/tomcat4 (whose correctness
>>>> according to FHS I am not
>>>> yet convinced of).
>>>>
>>>>
>>> What's the official recommendation?
>>>
>>> The RedHat rpm, which BTW is not marked as RedHat in jakarta download
>>> area, installs in /var/tomcat4. UnitedLinux 1.0 installs in
>>> /opt/jakarta/tomcat. I thought it would be a good idea to install in
>>> /usr/java/tomcat.
>>>
>>> Hayo
>>>
>>>
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Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Posted by Hayo Schmidt <st...@hayo.de>.
The different locations make it difficult to understand systems other
people have set up. And that wastes time.
This obviously is a general problem of Linux.
Hayo
John Turner schrieb:
>
> I don't think there is an official recommendation. I put anything
> unrelated to the official OS distribution under /usr/local, but that's
> me.
>
> John
>
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:25:14 +0200, Hayo Schmidt <st...@hayo.de> wrote:
>
>> Neil Zanella schrieb:
>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>
>>> This sets CATALINA_HOME correctly according to the current
>>> installation of tomcat4 under /var/tomcat4 (whose correctness
>>> according to FHS I am not
>>> yet convinced of).
>>>
>>>
>> What's the official recommendation?
>>
>> The RedHat rpm, which BTW is not marked as RedHat in jakarta download
>> area, installs in /var/tomcat4. UnitedLinux 1.0 installs in
>> /opt/jakarta/tomcat. I thought it would be a good idea to install in
>> /usr/java/tomcat.
>>
>> Hayo
>>
>>
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Re: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Posted by John Turner <to...@johnturner.com>.
I don't think there is an official recommendation. I put anything
unrelated to the official OS distribution under /usr/local, but that's me.
John
On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 15:25:14 +0200, Hayo Schmidt <st...@hayo.de> wrote:
> Neil Zanella schrieb:
>
>> [...]
>>
>>
>> This sets CATALINA_HOME correctly according to the current installation
>> of tomcat4 under /var/tomcat4 (whose correctness according to FHS I am
>> not
>> yet convinced of).
>>
>>
> What's the official recommendation?
>
> The RedHat rpm, which BTW is not marked as RedHat in jakarta download
> area, installs in /var/tomcat4. UnitedLinux 1.0 installs in
> /opt/jakarta/tomcat. I thought it would be a good idea to install in
> /usr/java/tomcat.
>
> Hayo
>
>
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RE: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Posted by Atreya Basu <at...@greenfieldresearch.ca>.
I put Tomcat in the same place where Apache likes to go: /usr/local.
I don't make symbolic links anywhere because they are a pain to clean up
later and I like everything to be in one place. But that may just be
because I'm from a Windows background where everything (should go)goes
in /Program Files.
_____________________________________
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Developer,
Greenfield Research Inc.
e-mail: atreya (at) greenfieldresearch (dot) ca
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From: Hayo Schmidt [mailto:strato@hayo.de]
Sent: June 23, 2003 10:25 AM
To: Tomcat Users List
Subject: Where to place the tomcat distribution in file system
Neil Zanella schrieb:
>[...]
>
>
>This sets CATALINA_HOME correctly according to the current installation
of
>tomcat4 under /var/tomcat4 (whose correctness according to FHS I am not
>yet convinced of).
>
>
What's the official recommendation?
The RedHat rpm, which BTW is not marked as RedHat in jakarta download
area, installs in /var/tomcat4. UnitedLinux 1.0 installs in
/opt/jakarta/tomcat. I thought it would be a good idea to install in
/usr/java/tomcat.
Hayo
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