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Posted to dev@quickstep.apache.org by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> on 2016/08/15 02:42:01 UTC
Mentor concerns
Hi!
Quickstep community is coming along fine, but,
with my mentor hat on, I still have a few concerns:
1. The Download button needs to be removed from
the website until there's a first official release
2. Website has to have an Incubator disclaimer:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html#disclaimers
3. I see tons of GitHub commits and yet I see pretty much
no dev@ list or JIRA traffic. Why is this code being commited?
Where is it discussed? This all is a mystery to me and I suspect
anybody else who's not on-site with those who commit.
I'd like to ask that the community quickly takes care of #1 and #2
and comes up with an explanation for #3
Thanks,
Roman.
Re: Mentor concerns
Posted by Julian Hyde <jh...@apache.org>.
+1 what Roman said about dev traffic. It seems to me that features come out of nowhere and I can only surmise that significant discussion is happening back-channel. The dev list should be the “front door” of the project and I think that to would-be contributors it looks pretty tightly shut.
Another instance: I tried to kick off a discussion on the dev list about the future of the project. IIRC, no one chimed in except Jignesh and mentors. That is not what would happen on a project that is being effective in governing itself.
Julian
> On Aug 15, 2016, at 5:51 PM, Harshad Deshmukh <ha...@cs.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
> Hello Roman and Jignesh,
>
> The website is updated with the said changes.
>
> http://quickstep.incubator.apache.org/
>
>
> On 08/15/2016 11:20 AM, J Patel wrote:
>> I'm on vacation - can someone take care of the website? Else, I'll do it on
>> Thursday.
>>
>> I believe we have Jira tickets for all the main features. I'll check when
>> I'm back. Agreed would be good to have Jira tickets for visibility to the
>> community.
>>
>> On a related note to perhaps clear some misconception: Some of the changes
>> come around when someone sees a problem and is inspired to fix it. I think
>> JQs plan visualization is a good example - he did it over a few days on his
>> own. I love that feature (I think we all do!), and discovered it when the
>> PR showed up. He had a great writeup in his PR (IMHO a good model for all
>> of us). Agreed if that didn't have a Jira ticket would be good to get in
>> the habit of opening one when inspiration strikes for an idea, and close it
>> with the final commit. But please do keep such inspiration driven features
>> going! I think no one wants to stop doing that.
>>
>> And I very much would love for existing folks to take the lead like JQ did!
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 14, 2016, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Quickstep community is coming along fine, but,
>>> with my mentor hat on, I still have a few concerns:
>>> 1. The Download button needs to be removed from
>>> the website until there's a first official release
>>>
>>> 2. Website has to have an Incubator disclaimer:
>>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html#disclaimers
>>>
>>> 3. I see tons of GitHub commits and yet I see pretty much
>>> no dev@ list or JIRA traffic. Why is this code being commited?
>>> Where is it discussed? This all is a mystery to me and I suspect
>>> anybody else who's not on-site with those who commit.
>>>
>>> I'd like to ask that the community quickly takes care of #1 and #2
>>> and comes up with an explanation for #3
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roman.
>>>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Harshad
>
Re: Mentor concerns
Posted by Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org>.
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 9:51 AM, Harshad Deshmukh <ha...@cs.wisc.edu> wrote:
> Hello Roman and Jignesh,
>
> The website is updated with the said changes.
>
> http://quickstep.incubator.apache.org/
Great! Thanks!
Roman.
Re: Mentor concerns
Posted by Harshad Deshmukh <ha...@cs.wisc.edu>.
Hello Roman and Jignesh,
The website is updated with the said changes.
http://quickstep.incubator.apache.org/
On 08/15/2016 11:20 AM, J Patel wrote:
> I'm on vacation - can someone take care of the website? Else, I'll do it on
> Thursday.
>
> I believe we have Jira tickets for all the main features. I'll check when
> I'm back. Agreed would be good to have Jira tickets for visibility to the
> community.
>
> On a related note to perhaps clear some misconception: Some of the changes
> come around when someone sees a problem and is inspired to fix it. I think
> JQs plan visualization is a good example - he did it over a few days on his
> own. I love that feature (I think we all do!), and discovered it when the
> PR showed up. He had a great writeup in his PR (IMHO a good model for all
> of us). Agreed if that didn't have a Jira ticket would be good to get in
> the habit of opening one when inspiration strikes for an idea, and close it
> with the final commit. But please do keep such inspiration driven features
> going! I think no one wants to stop doing that.
>
> And I very much would love for existing folks to take the lead like JQ did!
>
>
> On Sunday, August 14, 2016, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> Quickstep community is coming along fine, but,
>> with my mentor hat on, I still have a few concerns:
>> 1. The Download button needs to be removed from
>> the website until there's a first official release
>>
>> 2. Website has to have an Incubator disclaimer:
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html#disclaimers
>>
>> 3. I see tons of GitHub commits and yet I see pretty much
>> no dev@ list or JIRA traffic. Why is this code being commited?
>> Where is it discussed? This all is a mystery to me and I suspect
>> anybody else who's not on-site with those who commit.
>>
>> I'd like to ask that the community quickly takes care of #1 and #2
>> and comes up with an explanation for #3
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
>>
--
Thanks,
Harshad
Re: Mentor concerns
Posted by J Patel <jm...@gmail.com>.
I'm on vacation - can someone take care of the website? Else, I'll do it on
Thursday.
I believe we have Jira tickets for all the main features. I'll check when
I'm back. Agreed would be good to have Jira tickets for visibility to the
community.
On a related note to perhaps clear some misconception: Some of the changes
come around when someone sees a problem and is inspired to fix it. I think
JQs plan visualization is a good example - he did it over a few days on his
own. I love that feature (I think we all do!), and discovered it when the
PR showed up. He had a great writeup in his PR (IMHO a good model for all
of us). Agreed if that didn't have a Jira ticket would be good to get in
the habit of opening one when inspiration strikes for an idea, and close it
with the final commit. But please do keep such inspiration driven features
going! I think no one wants to stop doing that.
And I very much would love for existing folks to take the lead like JQ did!
On Sunday, August 14, 2016, Roman Shaposhnik <ro...@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Quickstep community is coming along fine, but,
> with my mentor hat on, I still have a few concerns:
> 1. The Download button needs to be removed from
> the website until there's a first official release
>
> 2. Website has to have an Incubator disclaimer:
> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/branding.html#disclaimers
>
> 3. I see tons of GitHub commits and yet I see pretty much
> no dev@ list or JIRA traffic. Why is this code being commited?
> Where is it discussed? This all is a mystery to me and I suspect
> anybody else who's not on-site with those who commit.
>
> I'd like to ask that the community quickly takes care of #1 and #2
> and comes up with an explanation for #3
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>