cocoon & docbook online

[Paul Gilligan <pd...@oyap.net>]

All,

With The OyaP Networks I am trying to build a small team of Oracle RDBMS 
& OLAP specialist, so that
is where our main focus is, but Oracle also provides a lot of JAVA/XML 
support and hence our years of  
additional JAVA & XML work.

Why XML, when supporting customers we need access to a lot of 
information, things that you just need
to write down somewhere - little tips etc. So with an XML based site we 
can modify, publish and find
our information with ease.

We could use Oracle 9iAS for the XML publishing intead of cocoon but as 
our focus is on the database
side not applications and that the 9iAS is very "heavy" we are tending 
towards cocoon as the final solution.

...We are currently putting together our cocoon site which will include 
FAQ's to technology like cocoon and
XML.

My main concern at this time is the lack of control over XML, there are 
bodies such as OASIS who are trying
to publish XML/XSL items but in my view failing to provide the correct 
level of information.  One of my main
objections is the "comment information" all over DTD documents - I think 
they missed the point here!!! the information
about the DTD or XSL or even XML should be in an XML header type format 
and NOT comment data in the
document. If there was a standard header then we could find required 
types of DTD or XSL documents easy.

With cocoon our web site will be generated around the "docbook" XML 
format and I am hoping to have online
editing of the XML data via cocoon so that articles etc can be modified 
and addedto the site without going to the OS.

Why docbook, because it is there and seems generally to encompass most 
of what we would ever need for XML
based publishing. The only thing that is missing is a good set of XSL 
standards for docbook and any editors that
can be used easily to produce a docbook( I have seen some but they are 
not that useful, have not had time to look
at "thot" yet but still would like a web based editor via cocoon.

... so we could have a directory structre that makes up chapters for a 
docbook,each chapter covers a different area
of technology (RDBMS, OLAP.... XML... DTD... and on). The if you need to 
browse this online as HTML you can
... or PDF etc. We could even give the docbook XML data to a publisher 
and they could produce the BOOK!!

So those are my thoughts on XML cocoon and web sites, who is crazy 
enought to help?

Paul







Alex McLintock wrote:

> Hello Paul,
>
> We are collating a list of European companies willing to support Open 
> Source Software (including Cocoon).
> Can we have some info on your company to put in the catalogue?
>
> We are doing some Cocoon sites too.
>
> Alex McLintock
> http://www.OWAL.co.uk/
>
>
>> Mailing-List: contact cocoon-users-help@xml.apache.org; run by ezmlm
>> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:15:54 +0100
>> From: Paul Gilligan <pd...@oyap.net>
>>
>>
>> I am based in the UK, no too far - my company is developing XML 
>> publishing on cocoon 2.1 dev at the
>> moment just working out the XSL side should have things up and 
>> running in the comming weeks..
>>
>> We are very interested in meeting up with other EU companies on the 
>> development front.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Cederic Van Herreweghe wrote:
>>
>
>
>
> Openweb Analysts Ltd, London: Software For Complex Websites 
> http://www.OWAL.co.uk/
> Free Consultancy for London Companies thinking of Open Source Software.
>



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Re: cocoon & docbook online

[Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>]

Forwarding to krysalis-jakarta-adv list.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Gilligan" <pd...@oyap.net>
To: "Alex McLintock" <al...@OWAL.co.uk>; <ce...@BRANTANO.COM>
Cc: <co...@xml.apache.org>; <mo...@oyap.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:52 AM
Subject: cocoon & docbook online


> All,
> 
> With The OyaP Networks I am trying to build a small team of Oracle RDBMS 
> & OLAP specialist, so that
> is where our main focus is, but Oracle also provides a lot of JAVA/XML 
> support and hence our years of  
> additional JAVA & XML work.
> 
> Why XML, when supporting customers we need access to a lot of 
> information, things that you just need
> to write down somewhere - little tips etc. So with an XML based site we 
> can modify, publish and find
> our information with ease.
> 
> We could use Oracle 9iAS for the XML publishing intead of cocoon but as 
> our focus is on the database
> side not applications and that the 9iAS is very "heavy" we are tending 
> towards cocoon as the final solution.
> 
> ...We are currently putting together our cocoon site which will include 
> FAQ's to technology like cocoon and
> XML.
> 
> My main concern at this time is the lack of control over XML, there are 
> bodies such as OASIS who are trying
> to publish XML/XSL items but in my view failing to provide the correct 
> level of information.  One of my main
> objections is the "comment information" all over DTD documents - I think 
> they missed the point here!!! the information
> about the DTD or XSL or even XML should be in an XML header type format 
> and NOT comment data in the
> document. If there was a standard header then we could find required 
> types of DTD or XSL documents easy.
> 
> With cocoon our web site will be generated around the "docbook" XML 
> format and I am hoping to have online
> editing of the XML data via cocoon so that articles etc can be modified 
> and addedto the site without going to the OS.
> 
> Why docbook, because it is there and seems generally to encompass most 
> of what we would ever need for XML
> based publishing. The only thing that is missing is a good set of XSL 
> standards for docbook and any editors that
> can be used easily to produce a docbook( I have seen some but they are 
> not that useful, have not had time to look
> at "thot" yet but still would like a web based editor via cocoon.
> 
> ... so we could have a directory structre that makes up chapters for a 
> docbook,each chapter covers a different area
> of technology (RDBMS, OLAP.... XML... DTD... and on). The if you need to 
> browse this online as HTML you can
> ... or PDF etc. We could even give the docbook XML data to a publisher 
> and they could produce the BOOK!!
> 
> So those are my thoughts on XML cocoon and web sites, who is crazy 
> enought to help?
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Alex McLintock wrote:
> 
> > Hello Paul,
> >
> > We are collating a list of European companies willing to support Open 
> > Source Software (including Cocoon).
> > Can we have some info on your company to put in the catalogue?
> >
> > We are doing some Cocoon sites too.
> >
> > Alex McLintock
> > http://www.OWAL.co.uk/
> >
> >
> >> Mailing-List: contact cocoon-users-help@xml.apache.org; run by ezmlm
> >> Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:15:54 +0100
> >> From: Paul Gilligan <pd...@oyap.net>
> >>
> >>
> >> I am based in the UK, no too far - my company is developing XML 
> >> publishing on cocoon 2.1 dev at the
> >> moment just working out the XSL side should have things up and 
> >> running in the comming weeks..
> >>
> >> We are very interested in meeting up with other EU companies on the 
> >> development front.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> Cederic Van Herreweghe wrote:
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > Openweb Analysts Ltd, London: Software For Complex Websites 
> > http://www.OWAL.co.uk/
> > Free Consultancy for London Companies thinking of Open Source Software.
> >
> 
> 
> 
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