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Posted to dev@velocity.apache.org by Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> on 2007/01/24 18:51:32 UTC
Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
+1
On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org> wrote:
> Let's do it.
>
> The list of changes
> (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create) is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open issues is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
>
> Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and "then" (Relase)
> are all non code:
>
> - Further work on the docs
> - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull velocity.jar
> and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
> - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
>
>
> [ ] +1 Let's do it
> [ ] 0 I don't care
> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
>
> The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th, 18:00 MET
> (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
>
> My vote is +1
>
> Best regards
> Henning
>
>
>
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
On Jan 27, 2007, at 2:01 PM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
>
>> Normally yes - you vote on the final software that's going to be
>> released, not just the concept.
>
>> At the moment, I have no clue what would actually go out the door wrt
>> the binary (included libs, LICENSE and NOTICE files, etc)
>
>> Should be easy.
>
> Hm. That *is* a strong imbalance IMHO between projects that ship docs
> as part of their distribution (like we do) and others that simply keep
> and update their docs online and ship just e.g. javadocs.
It's not just about docs - it's about the whole thing. How else can
we say we did proper oversight for things such as the license,
copyrights, notices and included 3rd party dependencies when we can't
see it?
>
> In that case, I'd actually like to discuss removing all docs except
> automatically created docs from source (e.g. Javadocs, Changelog etc.)
> from the distribution archives.
Why? Aren't our docs checked in too somewhere, or can be
mechanically re-created from checked-in sources?
>
> We do have to discuss the actual release process. Other projects
> (e.g. httpd) do it differently, they roll their distribution archives
> first and then vote on them. We do it the other way around.
So here's my suggestion - choose some process that in the end
produces a build that a) can be re-created by anyone based on knowing
the svn revision and b) outputs the binary packaging that we can vote
on to be our released artifacts.
geir
>
> Best regards
> Henning
>
>
>
>
>> geir
>
>> On Jan 27, 2007, at 6:20 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
>
>>> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> I assume we'll have another vote on the final binary?
>>>
>>>> geir
>>>
>>> Do we need to? The code itself will not change, just some doc file,
>>> change logs etc.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Henning
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:52 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
>>>
>>>>> "Will Glass-Husain" <wg...@forio.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd say that I fully agree with your points. This is part of the
>>>>> "docs
>>>>> cleanup" before we release the code.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Henning
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Henning,
>>>>>
>>>>>> +1, with a caveat...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Users will want to see specifics of what's new with the system.
>>>>>> Where's the change list? Will Maven generate this
>>>>>> automatically? I
>>>>>> suggest we have two items
>>>>>
>>>>>> * a copy of the release notes from the Wiki, moved into the main
>>>>>> distro as "RELEASE-NOTES.txt". This summarizes key changes and
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> importantly, dependency changes.
>>>>>
>>>>>> * a maven generated list from changes.xml
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm +1 if we have those two things.
>>>>>
>>>>>> As an aside, It's incredible all the work you've done,
>>>>>> especially in
>>>>>> the past few months.
>>>>>
>>>>>> WILL
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/24/07, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Been waiting for this day for a while now :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Let's do it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The list of changes
>>>>>>>>> (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
>>>>>>>>> version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Crea
>>>>>>>>> te
>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>> is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open issues
>>>>>>>>> is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been
>>>>>>>>> reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and
>>>>>>>>> "then" (Relase)
>>>>>>>>> are all non code:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Further work on the docs
>>>>>>>>> - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull
>>>>>>>>> velocity.jar
>>>>>>>>> and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
>>>>>>>>> - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
>>>>>>>>> [ ] 0 I don't care
>>>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th, 18:00
>>>>>>>>> MET
>>>>>>>>> (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
>>>>>>>>> month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My vote is +1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>>> Henning
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>> 91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache person
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>>>
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by Will Glass-Husain <wg...@forio.com>.
Seems fair enough.
I'm not too worried about the binary. Though I did accidentally
compile a jar file yesterday under JDK 1.6 and install it on a
client's production server running JDK 1.5. In the middle of the day,
crashing the app. So I guess it never hurts for multiple eyes to
examine it.
WILL
On 1/27/07, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:26 PM, Will Glass-Husain wrote:
>
> > To me there seems a qualitative difference between a beta and a rc or
> > final release.
>
> There isn't from the POV of oversight.
>
> >
> > Keeping it less formal for a beta release seems fine. But for a
> > "release candidate" Geir's points make sense. Either we should be
> > voting on a specific binary, or the on the result of typing "ant
> > package" with the current svn source.
>
> Vote on the binary. That way we call can smoke test it to make sure
> it's right.
>
> >
> > Also, we definitely need to distribute full docs.
> >
> > WILL
> >
> > On 1/27/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 1/27/07, Henning P. Schmiedehausen <hp...@intermeta.de> wrote:
> >> > "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
> >> >
> >> > >Normally yes - you vote on the final software that's going to be
> >> > >released, not just the concept.
> >> >
> >> > >At the moment, I have no clue what would actually go out the
> >> door wrt
> >> > >the binary (included libs, LICENSE and NOTICE files, etc)
> >> >
> >> > >Should be easy.
> >> >
> >> > Hm. That *is* a strong imbalance IMHO between projects that ship
> >> docs
> >> > as part of their distribution (like we do) and others that
> >> simply keep
> >> > and update their docs online and ship just e.g. javadocs.
> >> >
> >> > In that case, I'd actually like to discuss removing all docs except
> >> > automatically created docs from source (e.g. Javadocs, Changelog
> >> etc.)
> >> > from the distribution archives.
> >>
> >> -1 i like keeping docs with distros, both source and binary. and as
> >> Geir said, it doesn't really solve the problem.
> >>
> >> > We do have to discuss the actual release process. Other projects
> >> > (e.g. httpd) do it differently, they roll their distribution
> >> archives
> >> > first and then vote on them. We do it the other way around.
> >>
> >> +1 !! i've been thinking about this for quite some time. i like the
> >> freedom httpd-ish projects have to change the status of a release (in
> >> any direction) without having to re-roll it. at the latest, i'd like
> >> to see us adopt this after Engine 1.5 and Tools 1.3 are out. it's a
> >> little superfluous to switch to this now since we've already been
> >> stepping through betas and RCS, but if people really wanted to start
> >> now, that's fine by me. :)
> >>
> >> > Best regards
> >> > Henning
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >geir
> >> >
> >> > >On Jan 27, 2007, at 6:20 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> I assume we'll have another vote on the final binary?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> geir
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Do we need to? The code itself will not change, just some doc
> >> file,
> >> > >> change logs etc.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Best regards
> >> > >> Henning
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>> On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:52 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >>>> "Will Glass-Husain" <wg...@forio.com> writes:
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Hi,
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> I'd say that I fully agree with your points. This is part
> >> of the
> >> > >>>> "docs
> >> > >>>> cleanup" before we release the code.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> Best regards
> >> > >>>> Henning
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>> Hi Henning,
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>> +1, with a caveat...
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>> Users will want to see specifics of what's new with the
> >> system.
> >> > >>>>> Where's the change list? Will Maven generate this
> >> > >>>>> automatically? I
> >> > >>>>> suggest we have two items
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>> * a copy of the release notes from the Wiki, moved into
> >> the main
> >> > >>>>> distro as "RELEASE-NOTES.txt". This summarizes key
> >> changes and
> >> > >>>>> more
> >> > >>>>> importantly, dependency changes.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>> * a maven generated list from changes.xml
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>> I'm +1 if we have those two things.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>> As an aside, It's incredible all the work you've done,
> >> > >>>>> especially in
> >> > >>>>> the past few months.
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>> WILL
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>> On 1/24/07, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>> Been waiting for this day for a while now :)
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> +1
> >> > >>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>> On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>> +1
> >> > >>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>> On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > >>>>>>>> Let's do it.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> The list of changes
> >> > >>>>>>>> (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create
> >> > >>>>>>>> )
> >> > >>>>>>>> is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open
> >> issues
> >> > >>>>>>>> is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been
> >> > >>>>>>>> reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and
> >> > >>>>>>>> "then" (Relase)
> >> > >>>>>>>> are all non code:
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> - Further work on the docs
> >> > >>>>>>>> - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull
> >> > >>>>>>>> velocity.jar
> >> > >>>>>>>> and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
> >> > >>>>>>>> - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
> >> > >>>>>>>> [ ] 0 I don't care
> >> > >>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th,
> >> 18:00
> >> > >>>>>>>> MET
> >> > >>>>>>>> (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> >> > >>>>>>>> month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> My vote is +1
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>> Best regards
> >> > >>>>>>>> Henning
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> unsubscribe@velocity.apache.org
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> >> help@velocity.apache.org
> >> > >>>>>>>>
> >> > >>>>>>>>
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> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>
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> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>> Will Glass-Husain
> >> > >>>>> wglass@forio.com
> >> > >>>>> www.forio.com
> >> > >>>>
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> >> > >>>>
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> >> > >>>> Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- hps@intermeta.de | J2EE, Linux,
> >> > >>>> 91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache person
> >> > >>>> Open Source Consulting, Development, Design | Velocity -
> >> Turbine guy
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>> "Save the cheerleader. Save the world."
> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>>>
> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> > >>>>
> >> > >>
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> >> > >> Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- hps@intermeta.de | J2EE, Linux,
> >> > >> 91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache person
> >> > >> Open Source Consulting, Development, Design | Velocity -
> >> Turbine guy
> >> > >>
> >> > >> "Save the cheerleader. Save the world."
> >> > >>
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> >> > Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- hps@intermeta.de | J2EE, Linux,
> >> > 91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache person
> >> > Open Source Consulting, Development, Design | Velocity - Turbine
> >> guy
> >> >
> >> > "Save the cheerleader. Save the world."
> >> >
> >> >
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> >
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> >
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:26 PM, Will Glass-Husain wrote:
> To me there seems a qualitative difference between a beta and a rc or
> final release.
There isn't from the POV of oversight.
>
> Keeping it less formal for a beta release seems fine. But for a
> "release candidate" Geir's points make sense. Either we should be
> voting on a specific binary, or the on the result of typing "ant
> package" with the current svn source.
Vote on the binary. That way we call can smoke test it to make sure
it's right.
>
> Also, we definitely need to distribute full docs.
>
> WILL
>
> On 1/27/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/27/07, Henning P. Schmiedehausen <hp...@intermeta.de> wrote:
>> > "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
>> >
>> > >Normally yes - you vote on the final software that's going to be
>> > >released, not just the concept.
>> >
>> > >At the moment, I have no clue what would actually go out the
>> door wrt
>> > >the binary (included libs, LICENSE and NOTICE files, etc)
>> >
>> > >Should be easy.
>> >
>> > Hm. That *is* a strong imbalance IMHO between projects that ship
>> docs
>> > as part of their distribution (like we do) and others that
>> simply keep
>> > and update their docs online and ship just e.g. javadocs.
>> >
>> > In that case, I'd actually like to discuss removing all docs except
>> > automatically created docs from source (e.g. Javadocs, Changelog
>> etc.)
>> > from the distribution archives.
>>
>> -1 i like keeping docs with distros, both source and binary. and as
>> Geir said, it doesn't really solve the problem.
>>
>> > We do have to discuss the actual release process. Other projects
>> > (e.g. httpd) do it differently, they roll their distribution
>> archives
>> > first and then vote on them. We do it the other way around.
>>
>> +1 !! i've been thinking about this for quite some time. i like the
>> freedom httpd-ish projects have to change the status of a release (in
>> any direction) without having to re-roll it. at the latest, i'd like
>> to see us adopt this after Engine 1.5 and Tools 1.3 are out. it's a
>> little superfluous to switch to this now since we've already been
>> stepping through betas and RCS, but if people really wanted to start
>> now, that's fine by me. :)
>>
>> > Best regards
>> > Henning
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >geir
>> >
>> > >On Jan 27, 2007, at 6:20 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
>> >
>> > >> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
>> > >>
>> > >>> I assume we'll have another vote on the final binary?
>> > >>
>> > >>> geir
>> > >>
>> > >> Do we need to? The code itself will not change, just some doc
>> file,
>> > >> change logs etc.
>> > >>
>> > >> Best regards
>> > >> Henning
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:52 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>>> "Will Glass-Husain" <wg...@forio.com> writes:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Hi,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> I'd say that I fully agree with your points. This is part
>> of the
>> > >>>> "docs
>> > >>>> cleanup" before we release the code.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Best regards
>> > >>>> Henning
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Hi Henning,
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> +1, with a caveat...
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Users will want to see specifics of what's new with the
>> system.
>> > >>>>> Where's the change list? Will Maven generate this
>> > >>>>> automatically? I
>> > >>>>> suggest we have two items
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> * a copy of the release notes from the Wiki, moved into
>> the main
>> > >>>>> distro as "RELEASE-NOTES.txt". This summarizes key
>> changes and
>> > >>>>> more
>> > >>>>> importantly, dependency changes.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> * a maven generated list from changes.xml
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> I'm +1 if we have those two things.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> As an aside, It's incredible all the work you've done,
>> > >>>>> especially in
>> > >>>>> the past few months.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> WILL
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> On 1/24/07, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>> Been waiting for this day for a while now :)
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> +1
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>> +1
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>> Let's do it.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> The list of changes
>> > >>>>>>>> (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create
>> > >>>>>>>> )
>> > >>>>>>>> is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open
>> issues
>> > >>>>>>>> is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been
>> > >>>>>>>> reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and
>> > >>>>>>>> "then" (Relase)
>> > >>>>>>>> are all non code:
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> - Further work on the docs
>> > >>>>>>>> - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull
>> > >>>>>>>> velocity.jar
>> > >>>>>>>> and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
>> > >>>>>>>> - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
>> > >>>>>>>> [ ] 0 I don't care
>> > >>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th,
>> 18:00
>> > >>>>>>>> MET
>> > >>>>>>>> (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
>> > >>>>>>>> month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> My vote is +1
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Best regards
>> > >>>>>>>> Henning
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by Will Glass-Husain <wg...@forio.com>.
To me there seems a qualitative difference between a beta and a rc or
final release.
Keeping it less formal for a beta release seems fine. But for a
"release candidate" Geir's points make sense. Either we should be
voting on a specific binary, or the on the result of typing "ant
package" with the current svn source.
Also, we definitely need to distribute full docs.
WILL
On 1/27/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/27/07, Henning P. Schmiedehausen <hp...@intermeta.de> wrote:
> > "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
> >
> > >Normally yes - you vote on the final software that's going to be
> > >released, not just the concept.
> >
> > >At the moment, I have no clue what would actually go out the door wrt
> > >the binary (included libs, LICENSE and NOTICE files, etc)
> >
> > >Should be easy.
> >
> > Hm. That *is* a strong imbalance IMHO between projects that ship docs
> > as part of their distribution (like we do) and others that simply keep
> > and update their docs online and ship just e.g. javadocs.
> >
> > In that case, I'd actually like to discuss removing all docs except
> > automatically created docs from source (e.g. Javadocs, Changelog etc.)
> > from the distribution archives.
>
> -1 i like keeping docs with distros, both source and binary. and as
> Geir said, it doesn't really solve the problem.
>
> > We do have to discuss the actual release process. Other projects
> > (e.g. httpd) do it differently, they roll their distribution archives
> > first and then vote on them. We do it the other way around.
>
> +1 !! i've been thinking about this for quite some time. i like the
> freedom httpd-ish projects have to change the status of a release (in
> any direction) without having to re-roll it. at the latest, i'd like
> to see us adopt this after Engine 1.5 and Tools 1.3 are out. it's a
> little superfluous to switch to this now since we've already been
> stepping through betas and RCS, but if people really wanted to start
> now, that's fine by me. :)
>
> > Best regards
> > Henning
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >geir
> >
> > >On Jan 27, 2007, at 6:20 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> >
> > >> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
> > >>
> > >>> I assume we'll have another vote on the final binary?
> > >>
> > >>> geir
> > >>
> > >> Do we need to? The code itself will not change, just some doc file,
> > >> change logs etc.
> > >>
> > >> Best regards
> > >> Henning
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:52 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>> "Will Glass-Husain" <wg...@forio.com> writes:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'd say that I fully agree with your points. This is part of the
> > >>>> "docs
> > >>>> cleanup" before we release the code.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Best regards
> > >>>> Henning
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Henning,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> +1, with a caveat...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Users will want to see specifics of what's new with the system.
> > >>>>> Where's the change list? Will Maven generate this
> > >>>>> automatically? I
> > >>>>> suggest we have two items
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> * a copy of the release notes from the Wiki, moved into the main
> > >>>>> distro as "RELEASE-NOTES.txt". This summarizes key changes and
> > >>>>> more
> > >>>>> importantly, dependency changes.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> * a maven generated list from changes.xml
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I'm +1 if we have those two things.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> As an aside, It's incredible all the work you've done,
> > >>>>> especially in
> > >>>>> the past few months.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> WILL
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 1/24/07, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> Been waiting for this day for a while now :)
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> +1
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>>> +1
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>> Let's do it.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The list of changes
> > >>>>>>>> (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
> > >>>>>>>> version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create
> > >>>>>>>> )
> > >>>>>>>> is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open issues
> > >>>>>>>> is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been
> > >>>>>>>> reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and
> > >>>>>>>> "then" (Relase)
> > >>>>>>>> are all non code:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> - Further work on the docs
> > >>>>>>>> - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull
> > >>>>>>>> velocity.jar
> > >>>>>>>> and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
> > >>>>>>>> - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
> > >>>>>>>> [ ] 0 I don't care
> > >>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th, 18:00
> > >>>>>>>> MET
> > >>>>>>>> (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> > >>>>>>>> month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> My vote is +1
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Best regards
> > >>>>>>>> Henning
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> ---
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> > >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@velocity.apache.org
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> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Forio Business Simulations
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Will Glass-Husain
> > >>>>> wglass@forio.com
> > >>>>> www.forio.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > >>>>
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> > >>>> 91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache person
> > >>>> Open Source Consulting, Development, Design | Velocity - Turbine guy
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "Save the cheerleader. Save the world."
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>> -
> > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@velocity.apache.org
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> > >>
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> > >> 91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache person
> > >> Open Source Consulting, Development, Design | Velocity - Turbine guy
> > >>
> > >> "Save the cheerleader. Save the world."
> > >>
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com>.
On 1/27/07, Henning P. Schmiedehausen <hp...@intermeta.de> wrote:
> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
>
> >Normally yes - you vote on the final software that's going to be
> >released, not just the concept.
>
> >At the moment, I have no clue what would actually go out the door wrt
> >the binary (included libs, LICENSE and NOTICE files, etc)
>
> >Should be easy.
>
> Hm. That *is* a strong imbalance IMHO between projects that ship docs
> as part of their distribution (like we do) and others that simply keep
> and update their docs online and ship just e.g. javadocs.
>
> In that case, I'd actually like to discuss removing all docs except
> automatically created docs from source (e.g. Javadocs, Changelog etc.)
> from the distribution archives.
-1 i like keeping docs with distros, both source and binary. and as
Geir said, it doesn't really solve the problem.
> We do have to discuss the actual release process. Other projects
> (e.g. httpd) do it differently, they roll their distribution archives
> first and then vote on them. We do it the other way around.
+1 !! i've been thinking about this for quite some time. i like the
freedom httpd-ish projects have to change the status of a release (in
any direction) without having to re-roll it. at the latest, i'd like
to see us adopt this after Engine 1.5 and Tools 1.3 are out. it's a
little superfluous to switch to this now since we've already been
stepping through betas and RCS, but if people really wanted to start
now, that's fine by me. :)
> Best regards
> Henning
>
>
>
>
> >geir
>
> >On Jan 27, 2007, at 6:20 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
>
> >> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> I assume we'll have another vote on the final binary?
> >>
> >>> geir
> >>
> >> Do we need to? The code itself will not change, just some doc file,
> >> change logs etc.
> >>
> >> Best regards
> >> Henning
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:52 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> >>
> >>>> "Will Glass-Husain" <wg...@forio.com> writes:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd say that I fully agree with your points. This is part of the
> >>>> "docs
> >>>> cleanup" before we release the code.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards
> >>>> Henning
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi Henning,
> >>>>
> >>>>> +1, with a caveat...
> >>>>
> >>>>> Users will want to see specifics of what's new with the system.
> >>>>> Where's the change list? Will Maven generate this
> >>>>> automatically? I
> >>>>> suggest we have two items
> >>>>
> >>>>> * a copy of the release notes from the Wiki, moved into the main
> >>>>> distro as "RELEASE-NOTES.txt". This summarizes key changes and
> >>>>> more
> >>>>> importantly, dependency changes.
> >>>>
> >>>>> * a maven generated list from changes.xml
> >>>>
> >>>>> I'm +1 if we have those two things.
> >>>>
> >>>>> As an aside, It's incredible all the work you've done,
> >>>>> especially in
> >>>>> the past few months.
> >>>>
> >>>>> WILL
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 1/24/07, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Been waiting for this day for a while now :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> +1
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Let's do it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The list of changes
> >>>>>>>> (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
> >>>>>>>> version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create
> >>>>>>>> )
> >>>>>>>> is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open issues
> >>>>>>>> is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been
> >>>>>>>> reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and
> >>>>>>>> "then" (Relase)
> >>>>>>>> are all non code:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - Further work on the docs
> >>>>>>>> - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull
> >>>>>>>> velocity.jar
> >>>>>>>> and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
> >>>>>>>> - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
> >>>>>>>> [ ] 0 I don't care
> >>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th, 18:00
> >>>>>>>> MET
> >>>>>>>> (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> >>>>>>>> month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My vote is +1
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Best regards
> >>>>>>>> Henning
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@velocity.apache.org
> >>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@velocity.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>>>>> --
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> >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@velocity.apache.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@velocity.apache.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Forio Business Simulations
> >>>>
> >>>>> Will Glass-Husain
> >>>>> wglass@forio.com
> >>>>> www.forio.com
> >>>>
> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>> --
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> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@velocity.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- hps@intermeta.de | J2EE, Linux,
> >>>> 91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache person
> >>>> Open Source Consulting, Development, Design | Velocity - Turbine guy
> >>>>
> >>>> "Save the cheerleader. Save the world."
> >>>>
> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> -
> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@velocity.apache.org
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@velocity.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
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> >> 91054 Buckenhof, Germany -- +49 9131 506540 | Apache person
> >> Open Source Consulting, Development, Design | Velocity - Turbine guy
> >>
> >> "Save the cheerleader. Save the world."
> >>
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by "Henning P. Schmiedehausen" <hp...@intermeta.de>.
"Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
>Normally yes - you vote on the final software that's going to be
>released, not just the concept.
>At the moment, I have no clue what would actually go out the door wrt
>the binary (included libs, LICENSE and NOTICE files, etc)
>Should be easy.
Hm. That *is* a strong imbalance IMHO between projects that ship docs
as part of their distribution (like we do) and others that simply keep
and update their docs online and ship just e.g. javadocs.
In that case, I'd actually like to discuss removing all docs except
automatically created docs from source (e.g. Javadocs, Changelog etc.)
from the distribution archives.
We do have to discuss the actual release process. Other projects
(e.g. httpd) do it differently, they roll their distribution archives
first and then vote on them. We do it the other way around.
Best regards
Henning
>geir
>On Jan 27, 2007, at 6:20 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
>> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
>>
>>> I assume we'll have another vote on the final binary?
>>
>>> geir
>>
>> Do we need to? The code itself will not change, just some doc file,
>> change logs etc.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Henning
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:52 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
>>
>>>> "Will Glass-Husain" <wg...@forio.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I'd say that I fully agree with your points. This is part of the
>>>> "docs
>>>> cleanup" before we release the code.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>> Henning
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Henning,
>>>>
>>>>> +1, with a caveat...
>>>>
>>>>> Users will want to see specifics of what's new with the system.
>>>>> Where's the change list? Will Maven generate this
>>>>> automatically? I
>>>>> suggest we have two items
>>>>
>>>>> * a copy of the release notes from the Wiki, moved into the main
>>>>> distro as "RELEASE-NOTES.txt". This summarizes key changes and
>>>>> more
>>>>> importantly, dependency changes.
>>>>
>>>>> * a maven generated list from changes.xml
>>>>
>>>>> I'm +1 if we have those two things.
>>>>
>>>>> As an aside, It's incredible all the work you've done,
>>>>> especially in
>>>>> the past few months.
>>>>
>>>>> WILL
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/24/07, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Been waiting for this day for a while now :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Let's do it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The list of changes
>>>>>>>> (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
>>>>>>>> version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create
>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>> is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open issues
>>>>>>>> is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been
>>>>>>>> reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and
>>>>>>>> "then" (Relase)
>>>>>>>> are all non code:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Further work on the docs
>>>>>>>> - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull
>>>>>>>> velocity.jar
>>>>>>>> and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
>>>>>>>> - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
>>>>>>>> [ ] 0 I don't care
>>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th, 18:00
>>>>>>>> MET
>>>>>>>> (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
>>>>>>>> month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My vote is +1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>> Henning
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
On 1/27/07, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> On Jan 27, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Rahul Akolkar wrote:
>
> > On 1/27/07, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
> >> Normally yes - you vote on the final software that's going to be
> >> released, not just the concept.
> >>
> > <snip/>
> >
> > Indeed. I'd also like to see velocity votes (as am catching up on ML
> > reading, noticed a couple following this pattern) point to the actual
> > artifacts being proposed for release.
>
> That would be what I was talking about, yes :)
>
<snip/>
Hence the "also" :-)
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
On Jan 27, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Rahul Akolkar wrote:
> On 1/27/07, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
>> Normally yes - you vote on the final software that's going to be
>> released, not just the concept.
>>
> <snip/>
>
> Indeed. I'd also like to see velocity votes (as am catching up on ML
> reading, noticed a couple following this pattern) point to the actual
> artifacts being proposed for release.
That would be what I was talking about, yes :)
geir
>
> -Rahul
>
>
>> At the moment, I have no clue what would actually go out the door wrt
>> the binary (included libs, LICENSE and NOTICE files, etc)
>>
>> Should be easy.
>>
>> geir
>>
> <snap/>
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by Rahul Akolkar <ra...@gmail.com>.
On 1/27/07, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
> Normally yes - you vote on the final software that's going to be
> released, not just the concept.
>
<snip/>
Indeed. I'd also like to see velocity votes (as am catching up on ML
reading, noticed a couple following this pattern) point to the actual
artifacts being proposed for release.
-Rahul
> At the moment, I have no clue what would actually go out the door wrt
> the binary (included libs, LICENSE and NOTICE files, etc)
>
> Should be easy.
>
> geir
>
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
Normally yes - you vote on the final software that's going to be
released, not just the concept.
At the moment, I have no clue what would actually go out the door wrt
the binary (included libs, LICENSE and NOTICE files, etc)
Should be easy.
geir
On Jan 27, 2007, at 6:20 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
>
>> I assume we'll have another vote on the final binary?
>
>> geir
>
> Do we need to? The code itself will not change, just some doc file,
> change logs etc.
>
> Best regards
> Henning
>
>
>
>
>> On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:52 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
>
>>> "Will Glass-Husain" <wg...@forio.com> writes:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'd say that I fully agree with your points. This is part of the
>>> "docs
>>> cleanup" before we release the code.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Henning
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Henning,
>>>
>>>> +1, with a caveat...
>>>
>>>> Users will want to see specifics of what's new with the system.
>>>> Where's the change list? Will Maven generate this
>>>> automatically? I
>>>> suggest we have two items
>>>
>>>> * a copy of the release notes from the Wiki, moved into the main
>>>> distro as "RELEASE-NOTES.txt". This summarizes key changes and
>>>> more
>>>> importantly, dependency changes.
>>>
>>>> * a maven generated list from changes.xml
>>>
>>>> I'm +1 if we have those two things.
>>>
>>>> As an aside, It's incredible all the work you've done,
>>>> especially in
>>>> the past few months.
>>>
>>>> WILL
>>>
>>>> On 1/24/07, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Been waiting for this day for a while now :)
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Let's do it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The list of changes
>>>>>>> (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
>>>>>>> version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create
>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>> is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open issues
>>>>>>> is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been
>>>>>>> reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and
>>>>>>> "then" (Relase)
>>>>>>> are all non code:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Further work on the docs
>>>>>>> - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull
>>>>>>> velocity.jar
>>>>>>> and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
>>>>>>> - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
>>>>>>> [ ] 0 I don't care
>>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th, 18:00
>>>>>>> MET
>>>>>>> (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
>>>>>>> month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My vote is +1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>> Henning
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> ---
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by "Henning P. Schmiedehausen" <hp...@intermeta.de>.
"Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com> writes:
>I assume we'll have another vote on the final binary?
>geir
Do we need to? The code itself will not change, just some doc file,
change logs etc.
Best regards
Henning
>On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:52 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
>> "Will Glass-Husain" <wg...@forio.com> writes:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd say that I fully agree with your points. This is part of the "docs
>> cleanup" before we release the code.
>>
>> Best regards
>> Henning
>>
>>
>>> Hi Henning,
>>
>>> +1, with a caveat...
>>
>>> Users will want to see specifics of what's new with the system.
>>> Where's the change list? Will Maven generate this automatically? I
>>> suggest we have two items
>>
>>> * a copy of the release notes from the Wiki, moved into the main
>>> distro as "RELEASE-NOTES.txt". This summarizes key changes and more
>>> importantly, dependency changes.
>>
>>> * a maven generated list from changes.xml
>>
>>> I'm +1 if we have those two things.
>>
>>> As an aside, It's incredible all the work you've done, especially in
>>> the past few months.
>>
>>> WILL
>>
>>> On 1/24/07, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Been waiting for this day for a while now :)
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Let's do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The list of changes
>>>>>> (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
>>>>>> version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create)
>>>>>> is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open issues
>>>>>> is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been
>>>>>> reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and
>>>>>> "then" (Relase)
>>>>>> are all non code:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Further work on the docs
>>>>>> - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull
>>>>>> velocity.jar
>>>>>> and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
>>>>>> - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
>>>>>> [ ] 0 I don't care
>>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th, 18:00 MET
>>>>>> (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
>>>>>> month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My vote is +1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>> Henning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> ---
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>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@velocity.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@pobox.com>.
I assume we'll have another vote on the final binary?
geir
On Jan 27, 2007, at 3:52 AM, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> "Will Glass-Husain" <wg...@forio.com> writes:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd say that I fully agree with your points. This is part of the "docs
> cleanup" before we release the code.
>
> Best regards
> Henning
>
>
>> Hi Henning,
>
>> +1, with a caveat...
>
>> Users will want to see specifics of what's new with the system.
>> Where's the change list? Will Maven generate this automatically? I
>> suggest we have two items
>
>> * a copy of the release notes from the Wiki, moved into the main
>> distro as "RELEASE-NOTES.txt". This summarizes key changes and more
>> importantly, dependency changes.
>
>> * a maven generated list from changes.xml
>
>> I'm +1 if we have those two things.
>
>> As an aside, It's incredible all the work you've done, especially in
>> the past few months.
>
>> WILL
>
>> On 1/24/07, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Been waiting for this day for a while now :)
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> Let's do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The list of changes
>>>>> (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?
>>>>> version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create)
>>>>> is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open issues
>>>>> is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been
>>>>> reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and
>>>>> "then" (Relase)
>>>>> are all non code:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Further work on the docs
>>>>> - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull
>>>>> velocity.jar
>>>>> and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
>>>>> - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [ ] +1 Let's do it
>>>>> [ ] 0 I don't care
>>>>> [ ] -1 No, because __________________
>>>>>
>>>>> The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th, 18:00 MET
>>>>> (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
>>>>> month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
>>>>>
>>>>> My vote is +1
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards
>>>>> Henning
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by "Henning P. Schmiedehausen" <hp...@intermeta.de>.
"Will Glass-Husain" <wg...@forio.com> writes:
Hi,
I'd say that I fully agree with your points. This is part of the "docs
cleanup" before we release the code.
Best regards
Henning
>Hi Henning,
>+1, with a caveat...
>Users will want to see specifics of what's new with the system.
>Where's the change list? Will Maven generate this automatically? I
>suggest we have two items
>* a copy of the release notes from the Wiki, moved into the main
>distro as "RELEASE-NOTES.txt". This summarizes key changes and more
>importantly, dependency changes.
>* a maven generated list from changes.xml
>I'm +1 if we have those two things.
>As an aside, It's incredible all the work you've done, especially in
>the past few months.
>WILL
>On 1/24/07, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Been waiting for this day for a while now :)
>>
>> +1
>>
>> On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > +1
>> >
>> > On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > > Let's do it.
>> > >
>> > > The list of changes
>> > > (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create) is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open issues is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
>> > >
>> > > Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and "then" (Relase)
>> > > are all non code:
>> > >
>> > > - Further work on the docs
>> > > - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull velocity.jar
>> > > and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
>> > > - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > [ ] +1 Let's do it
>> > > [ ] 0 I don't care
>> > > [ ] -1 No, because __________________
>> > >
>> > > The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th, 18:00 MET
>> > > (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
>> > >
>> > > My vote is +1
>> > >
>> > > Best regards
>> > > Henning
>> > >
>> > >
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by Will Glass-Husain <wg...@forio.com>.
Hi Henning,
+1, with a caveat...
Users will want to see specifics of what's new with the system.
Where's the change list? Will Maven generate this automatically? I
suggest we have two items
* a copy of the release notes from the Wiki, moved into the main
distro as "RELEASE-NOTES.txt". This summarizes key changes and more
importantly, dependency changes.
* a maven generated list from changes.xml
I'm +1 if we have those two things.
As an aside, It's incredible all the work you've done, especially in
the past few months.
WILL
On 1/24/07, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Been waiting for this day for a while now :)
>
> +1
>
> On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1
> >
> > On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Let's do it.
> > >
> > > The list of changes
> > > (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create) is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open issues is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
> > >
> > > Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and "then" (Relase)
> > > are all non code:
> > >
> > > - Further work on the docs
> > > - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull velocity.jar
> > > and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
> > > - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
> > >
> > >
> > > [ ] +1 Let's do it
> > > [ ] 0 I don't care
> > > [ ] -1 No, because __________________
> > >
> > > The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th, 18:00 MET
> > > (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
> > >
> > > My vote is +1
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > Henning
> > >
> > >
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Re: [VOTE]: Release Velocity 1.5
Posted by Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com>.
Been waiting for this day for a while now :)
+1
On 1/25/07, Nathan Bubna <nb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> On 1/24/07, Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Let's do it.
> >
> > The list of changes
> > (http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.jspa?version=12310253&styleName=Text&projectId=12310104&Create=Create) is much longer than it ought to be, the number of open issues is more or less down to zero and no new issues have been reported with beta 2. I think, it is time now.
> >
> > Stuff that I do expect to change between "now" (CfV) and "then" (Relase)
> > are all non code:
> >
> > - Further work on the docs
> > - A Maven 2 POM so that the Mavenatics don't need to pull velocity.jar
> > and velocity-dep.jar in all the time
> > - Updates on the xdocs themselves.
> >
> >
> > [ ] +1 Let's do it
> > [ ] 0 I don't care
> > [ ] -1 No, because __________________
> >
> > The vote will go for ~72 hours, that is Saturday, 27th, 18:00 MET
> > (http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=1&day=27&year=2007&hour=18&min=0&sec=0&p1=37)
> >
> > My vote is +1
> >
> > Best regards
> > Henning
> >
> >
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