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Posted to dev@cayenne.apache.org by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> on 2017/09/05 22:59:17 UTC
Re: Cayenne Modeler
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/05/flat_uis_designs_are_22_per_cent_slower_official/
I think there will be an uprising against "modern" interfaces soon )
Andrus
On Sat, Aug 19, 2017, at 11:50 AM, John Huss wrote:
> +1
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 4:26 AM Andrus Adamchik
> <an...@objectstyle.org>> wrote:
>
> > > Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same
> > > time> > made
> > > the modeler so much harder to use.
> >
> >
> > I don't have such a strong feeling about this, but I still
> > agree with> > Tony. I had the same exact experience after the upgrade. And
> > even after> > months on the new Modeler, I always have to pause when locating the
> > "Edit"> > button to not hit "Remove" by mistake (and vice versa).
> >
> > > Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should
> > > rethink> > the
> > > idea of toning it down so completely.
> >
> > +1. Just like we went back and added color to the model nodes, I
> > suggest> > we try and re-add color to the icons.
> >
> > Andrus
> >
> >
> > > On Aug 19, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Tony Giaccone <tg...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:> > >
> > > Started using Cayenne 4.0 Modeler, and let me just give a few
> > > thoughts.> > >
> > > Positives:
> > >
> > > The UI functionally is an improvement. A number of the things
> > > that used> > to
> > > annoy me are now fixed. Retention of Datasource, for example. The
> > > Modeler> > > feels snappier, more responsive.
> > >
> > > Negatives:
> > >
> > > Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same
> > > time> > made
> > > the modeler so much harder to use. Muted colors, mean you lose the> > feedback
> > > that could provide you with reassurance your making the right
> > > choice.> > Wow,
> > > I can't say this enough. Toning down the color of elements in
> > > the UI> > makes
> > > it so much harder to use. This overwhelmed all the other
> > > positives and> > made
> > > the Modeler using the Modeler unpleasant. I found myself spending
> > > a lot> > > more time waiting for the labels that hover if you linger on an
> > > item, to> > be
> > > certain I was doing the right thing. Over time I guess this
> > > will get> > > better, but as an overall change, I can't say how much I dislike
> > > this.> > >
> > > Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should
> > > rethink> > the
> > > idea of toning it down so completely.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tony Giaccone
> >
> >
Re: Cayenne Modeler
Posted by Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>.
I'm still waiting on the 3D desktop...
On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/05/flat_uis_designs_
> are_22_per_cent_slower_official/
> I think there will be an uprising against "modern" interfaces soon )
>
> Andrus
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017, at 11:50 AM, John Huss wrote:
> > +1
> > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 4:26 AM Andrus Adamchik
> > <an...@objectstyle.org>> wrote:
> >
> > > > Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same
> > > > time> > made
> > > > the modeler so much harder to use.
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't have such a strong feeling about this, but I still
> > > agree with> > Tony. I had the same exact experience after the upgrade.
> And
> > > even after> > months on the new Modeler, I always have to pause when
> locating the
> > > "Edit"> > button to not hit "Remove" by mistake (and vice versa).
> > >
> > > > Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should
> > > > rethink> > the
> > > > idea of toning it down so completely.
> > >
> > > +1. Just like we went back and added color to the model nodes, I
> > > suggest> > we try and re-add color to the icons.
> > >
> > > Andrus
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Aug 19, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Tony Giaccone <tg...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:> > >
> > > > Started using Cayenne 4.0 Modeler, and let me just give a few
> > > > thoughts.> > >
> > > > Positives:
> > > >
> > > > The UI functionally is an improvement. A number of the things
> > > > that used> > to
> > > > annoy me are now fixed. Retention of Datasource, for example. The
> > > > Modeler> > > feels snappier, more responsive.
> > > >
> > > > Negatives:
> > > >
> > > > Changing the iconography and removing the color both at the same
> > > > time> > made
> > > > the modeler so much harder to use. Muted colors, mean you lose the>
> > feedback
> > > > that could provide you with reassurance your making the right
> > > > choice.> > Wow,
> > > > I can't say this enough. Toning down the color of elements in
> > > > the UI> > makes
> > > > it so much harder to use. This overwhelmed all the other
> > > > positives and> > made
> > > > the Modeler using the Modeler unpleasant. I found myself spending
> > > > a lot> > > more time waiting for the labels that hover if you linger
> on an
> > > > item, to> > be
> > > > certain I was doing the right thing. Over time I guess this
> > > > will get> > > better, but as an overall change, I can't say how much
> I dislike
> > > > this.> > >
> > > > Color is a significant indicator and I really think you should
> > > > rethink> > the
> > > > idea of toning it down so completely.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tony Giaccone
> > >
> > >
>
>