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Posted to dev@myfaces.apache.org by Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at> on 2007/10/24 16:49:00 UTC
[vote] start up a MyFaces Facelets project
Hi!
Lets start up a MyFaces Facelets project. A name needs to be found.
The aim of this project will be to contain:
1) the taglibs for tomahawk and tomahawk-sandbox as long as we have the generator not running again. I'd like to ask Bruno if we can jump-start with his google project
2) everything which is directly related to stuff which only works with Facelets, being that components or whatever.
[ ] +1 yea, lets start
[ ] +0
[ ] -1 no, for those reasons .....
I'll do the maven work then (a not very sophisticated one, just copy it
from another of our modules)
I am not sure if we collect enough substance for this project to survive, but time will tell.
Ciao,
Mario
Re: Scope of MyFaces Facelets project
Posted by Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@apache.org>.
On 10/30/07, Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at> wrote:
> Hi!
> > Before this is considered "passed", could there be a re-definition of
> > the scope of this project as there has been some discussion?
> >
> For me the scope is to provide components which primarily works with
> facelets ONLY. There might be a JSP tag provided, but this is not a must
> have for the facelets project.
> In contrast, I think, a tomahawk component has to work with JSP in any case.
+1 it would be odd if a component lib. doesn't support the "default"
env. from the JSF spec, which is (today) JSP(x). So JSP should still
be first-class-citizen for Tomahawk.
-M
>
> That is the main difference I think. I don't want to contaminate
> tomahawk with facelets only stuff.
>
> Even if possible, I do not care if we move the tomahawk facelets taglib
> stuff in here. The best will be that tomahawk is self-contained, but I
> do not have time to get in touch with the generator, so, as a temporary
> solution we can add this taglibrary in here. Since this facelets project
> will be smaller it can have faster release cycles.
>
> > FYI, please also see my thread on the refactoring of Tomahawk with the
> > major intention to include facelets support in Tomahawk directly as a
> > new sub-folder (jar).
> >
> Yep, this is an interesting option.
>
> Ciao,
> Marip
>
>
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Scope of MyFaces Facelets project
Posted by Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at>.
Hi!
> Before this is considered "passed", could there be a re-definition of
> the scope of this project as there has been some discussion?
>
For me the scope is to provide components which primarily works with
facelets ONLY. There might be a JSP tag provided, but this is not a must
have for the facelets project.
In contrast, I think, a tomahawk component has to work with JSP in any case.
That is the main difference I think. I don't want to contaminate
tomahawk with facelets only stuff.
Even if possible, I do not care if we move the tomahawk facelets taglib
stuff in here. The best will be that tomahawk is self-contained, but I
do not have time to get in touch with the generator, so, as a temporary
solution we can add this taglibrary in here. Since this facelets project
will be smaller it can have faster release cycles.
> FYI, please also see my thread on the refactoring of Tomahawk with the
> major intention to include facelets support in Tomahawk directly as a
> new sub-folder (jar).
>
Yep, this is an interesting option.
Ciao,
Marip
Re: [result][vote] start up a MyFaces Facelets project
Posted by Andrew Robinson <an...@gmail.com>.
Before this is considered "passed", could there be a re-definition of
the scope of this project as there has been some discussion?
FYI, please also see my thread on the refactoring of Tomahawk with the
major intention to include facelets support in Tomahawk directly as a
new sub-folder (jar).
On 10/29/07, Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> +1
> Mike Kienenberger
> Andrew Robinson
> Jesse Alexander
> Bruno Aranda
> Mario Ivankovits
>
> Not that impressiv than the MyFaces Commons vote, but passed anyway.
>
> Ciao,
> Mario
>
>
[result][vote] start up a MyFaces Facelets project
Posted by Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at>.
Hi!
+1
Mike Kienenberger
Andrew Robinson
Jesse Alexander
Bruno Aranda
Mario Ivankovits
Not that impressiv than the MyFaces Commons vote, but passed anyway.
Ciao,
Mario
Re: [vote] start up a MyFaces Facelets project
Posted by Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at>.
Mario Ivankovits schrieb:
+1
> Hi!
>
> Lets start up a MyFaces Facelets project. A name needs to be found.
>
> The aim of this project will be to contain:
> 1) the taglibs for tomahawk and tomahawk-sandbox as long as we have the generator not running again. I'd like to ask Bruno if we can jump-start with his google project
> 2) everything which is directly related to stuff which only works with Facelets, being that components or whatever.
>
>
> [ ] +1 yea, lets start
> [ ] +0
> [ ] -1 no, for those reasons .....
>
>
> I'll do the maven work then (a not very sophisticated one, just copy it
> from another of our modules)
>
> I am not sure if we collect enough substance for this project to survive, but time will tell.
>
>
> Ciao,
> Mario
>
>
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Re: [vote] start up a MyFaces Facelets project
Posted by Andrew Robinson <an...@gmail.com>.
yes I understand, that is why I mentioned a -1 for a tomahawk based
facelets project. I don't feel the need for a separate project,
putting facelet support into the tomahawk project should be adequate
IMO. It is just that no one has taken the initiative to actually do
the work.
-Andrew
On 10/24/07, Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew, you're asking for a different project than what's being proposed.
>
> This is a (hopefully) temporary project to provide drop-in Tomahawk
> facelets support until such time as built-in facelets support (via
> code generation) is available in Tomahawk.
>
> On 10/24/07, Andrew Robinson <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1 on a facelets-only JSF project and not be related to tomahawk at all.
> >
> > -1 for #1 I think tomahawk should have built in facelets support for
> > its own components and not have to rely on an outside project/jar
> >
> > -1 on using tomahawk in the name (for above reason)
> >
> > (non-binding)
> >
> > On 10/24/07, Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > +1.
> > >
> > > I'd suggest tomahawk-facelets[.jar] as the name since that's what it
> > > is. The versioning should match Tomahawk's versioning, and hopefully
> > > we'll release a new version each time Tomahawk is released.
> > >
> > > On 10/24/07, Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at> wrote:
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > Lets start up a MyFaces Facelets project. A name needs to be found.
> > > >
> > > > The aim of this project will be to contain:
> > > > 1) the taglibs for tomahawk and tomahawk-sandbox as long as we have the generator not running again. I'd like to ask Bruno if we can jump-start with his google project
> > > > 2) everything which is directly related to stuff which only works with Facelets, being that components or whatever.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [ ] +1 yea, lets start
> > > > [ ] +0
> > > > [ ] -1 no, for those reasons .....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'll do the maven work then (a not very sophisticated one, just copy it
> > > > from another of our modules)
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure if we collect enough substance for this project to survive, but time will tell.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ciao,
> > > > Mario
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [vote] start up a MyFaces Facelets project
Posted by Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at>.
Hi!
> This is a (hopefully) temporary project to provide drop-in Tomahawk
> facelets support until such time as built-in facelets support (via
> code generation) is available in Tomahawk.
>
Not a temporary project, just a temporary place.
I think (hope) our Facelets project will grow in the future even without
being a helper for the taglibs....
Ciao,
Mario
Re: [vote] start up a MyFaces Facelets project
Posted by Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>.
Andrew, you're asking for a different project than what's being proposed.
This is a (hopefully) temporary project to provide drop-in Tomahawk
facelets support until such time as built-in facelets support (via
code generation) is available in Tomahawk.
On 10/24/07, Andrew Robinson <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 on a facelets-only JSF project and not be related to tomahawk at all.
>
> -1 for #1 I think tomahawk should have built in facelets support for
> its own components and not have to rely on an outside project/jar
>
> -1 on using tomahawk in the name (for above reason)
>
> (non-binding)
>
> On 10/24/07, Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1.
> >
> > I'd suggest tomahawk-facelets[.jar] as the name since that's what it
> > is. The versioning should match Tomahawk's versioning, and hopefully
> > we'll release a new version each time Tomahawk is released.
> >
> > On 10/24/07, Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at> wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > Lets start up a MyFaces Facelets project. A name needs to be found.
> > >
> > > The aim of this project will be to contain:
> > > 1) the taglibs for tomahawk and tomahawk-sandbox as long as we have the generator not running again. I'd like to ask Bruno if we can jump-start with his google project
> > > 2) everything which is directly related to stuff which only works with Facelets, being that components or whatever.
> > >
> > >
> > > [ ] +1 yea, lets start
> > > [ ] +0
> > > [ ] -1 no, for those reasons .....
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll do the maven work then (a not very sophisticated one, just copy it
> > > from another of our modules)
> > >
> > > I am not sure if we collect enough substance for this project to survive, but time will tell.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ciao,
> > > Mario
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [vote] start up a MyFaces Facelets project
Posted by Andrew Robinson <an...@gmail.com>.
+1 on a facelets-only JSF project and not be related to tomahawk at all.
-1 for #1 I think tomahawk should have built in facelets support for
its own components and not have to rely on an outside project/jar
-1 on using tomahawk in the name (for above reason)
(non-binding)
On 10/24/07, Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1.
>
> I'd suggest tomahawk-facelets[.jar] as the name since that's what it
> is. The versioning should match Tomahawk's versioning, and hopefully
> we'll release a new version each time Tomahawk is released.
>
> On 10/24/07, Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at> wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > Lets start up a MyFaces Facelets project. A name needs to be found.
> >
> > The aim of this project will be to contain:
> > 1) the taglibs for tomahawk and tomahawk-sandbox as long as we have the generator not running again. I'd like to ask Bruno if we can jump-start with his google project
> > 2) everything which is directly related to stuff which only works with Facelets, being that components or whatever.
> >
> >
> > [ ] +1 yea, lets start
> > [ ] +0
> > [ ] -1 no, for those reasons .....
> >
> >
> > I'll do the maven work then (a not very sophisticated one, just copy it
> > from another of our modules)
> >
> > I am not sure if we collect enough substance for this project to survive, but time will tell.
> >
> >
> > Ciao,
> > Mario
> >
> >
>
Re: [vote] start up a MyFaces Facelets project
Posted by Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>.
+1.
I'd suggest tomahawk-facelets[.jar] as the name since that's what it
is. The versioning should match Tomahawk's versioning, and hopefully
we'll release a new version each time Tomahawk is released.
On 10/24/07, Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Lets start up a MyFaces Facelets project. A name needs to be found.
>
> The aim of this project will be to contain:
> 1) the taglibs for tomahawk and tomahawk-sandbox as long as we have the generator not running again. I'd like to ask Bruno if we can jump-start with his google project
> 2) everything which is directly related to stuff which only works with Facelets, being that components or whatever.
>
>
> [ ] +1 yea, lets start
> [ ] +0
> [ ] -1 no, for those reasons .....
>
>
> I'll do the maven work then (a not very sophisticated one, just copy it
> from another of our modules)
>
> I am not sure if we collect enough substance for this project to survive, but time will tell.
>
>
> Ciao,
> Mario
>
>
Re: [vote] start up a MyFaces Facelets project
Posted by Bruno Aranda <br...@gmail.com>.
Hi, +1
No problems in moving the existing code (for tomhawk facelets support) around.
I am a bit reluctant to include Facelets as compile dependency for
Tomahawk (to support facelets now in tomahawk we need to implement
some tag handlers, hence the facelets library is necessary to
compile). I guess Facelets could be marked as optional in the
dependencies section.
Cheers,
Bruno
On 24/10/2007, Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> > MyFacelets is a cute name, but it's going to be confusing and slow to
> > read. Human brains work on pattern matching, and MyFacelets matches
> > too closely to other names in the domain (MyFaces/Facelets). Aend iff
> > youuu donnt thynk tahts turrue, yooo porabably kant reed thhis.
> > MyFaces MyFaces MyFaces MyFacelets MyFaces MyFacelets Facelets
> > MyFacelets MyFaces.
> >
> I can't see any difference to the rest of the text ...... cheers
> <opening another bottle of beer *plop* />
>
> ;-)
>
>
>
>
Re: [vote] start up a MyFaces Facelets project
Posted by Mario Ivankovits <ma...@ops.co.at>.
Hi!
> MyFacelets is a cute name, but it's going to be confusing and slow to
> read. Human brains work on pattern matching, and MyFacelets matches
> too closely to other names in the domain (MyFaces/Facelets). Aend iff
> youuu donnt thynk tahts turrue, yooo porabably kant reed thhis.
> MyFaces MyFaces MyFaces MyFacelets MyFaces MyFacelets Facelets
> MyFacelets MyFaces.
>
I can't see any difference to the rest of the text ...... cheers
<opening another bottle of beer *plop* />
;-)
Re: [vote] start up a MyFaces Facelets project
Posted by Mike Kienenberger <mk...@gmail.com>.
I misread Mario's original scope for this proposal. I don't have any
issues with it being more inclusive than tomahawk taglibs. My
apologies to Andrew.
If you are one of the people voting against a facelets subproject
containing tomahawk taglibs, does this mean you are volunteering to
integrate code generator facelets support directly into Tomahawk,
which is the other reasonable alternative?
Also, is it going to be an issue if Facelets is a dependency of
Tomahawk, since Facelets depends on JSF 1.2 and JSF 1.1 api? (I don't
think so, but I figured I'd mention it in case I'm wrong).
MyFacelets is a cute name, but it's going to be confusing and slow to
read. Human brains work on pattern matching, and MyFacelets matches
too closely to other names in the domain (MyFaces/Facelets). Aend iff
youuu donnt thynk tahts turrue, yooo porabably kant reed thhis.
MyFaces MyFaces MyFaces MyFacelets MyFaces MyFacelets Facelets
MyFacelets MyFaces.
RE: [vote] start up a MyFaces Facelets project
Posted by "Jesse Alexander (KSFH 323)" <al...@credit-suisse.com>.
non-binding:
+1 on a facelets-related sub-project
-1 on it being only a haven for the tomahawk-taglib (that should be
included
in the tomahawk-jar itself
name-proposal:
I like the "MyFacelets" from the other thread
regards
Alexander
-----Original Message-----
From: Mario Ivankovits [mailto:mario@ops.co.at]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:49 PM
To: MyFaces Development
Subject: [vote] start up a MyFaces Facelets project
Hi!
Lets start up a MyFaces Facelets project. A name needs to be found.
The aim of this project will be to contain:
1) the taglibs for tomahawk and tomahawk-sandbox as long as we have the
generator not running again. I'd like to ask Bruno if we can jump-start
with his google project
2) everything which is directly related to stuff which only works with
Facelets, being that components or whatever.
[ ] +1 yea, lets start
[ ] +0
[ ] -1 no, for those reasons .....
I'll do the maven work then (a not very sophisticated one, just copy it
from another of our modules)
I am not sure if we collect enough substance for this project to
survive, but time will tell.
Ciao,
Mario