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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> on 2020/09/09 17:31:53 UTC
Re: Proposals
Am 09.09.20 um 15:36 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Please do not hijack a VOTE.
>
> You can answer +1, abstain or -1 (giving your reason)
right, it looks like if we don't know how a vote is working.
> Proposals could (and should) have been made months ago.
Or start a new vote that includes all proposed logos. Then it's up to
the vote starter to collect all proposed logos upfront. ;-)
Marcus
> Am 09.09.20 um 11:33 schrieb Bidouille:
>> Another suggestion:
>> https://www.cjoint.com/doc/20_09/JIjjGPLiU5s_about-20yrs.png
>>
>> ----- Mail original -----
>>> De: "Jörg Schmidt" <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>
>>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>> Envoyé: Mercredi 9 Septembre 2020 08:24:44
>>> Objet: RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About 20th anniversary plans]
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:10 PM
>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>> Subject: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re:
>>>> About 20th anniversary plans]
>>>>
>>>> Hi Matthias, all
>>>>
>>>>> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel
>>>> <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
>>>>>
>>>>> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
>>>> I call for a vote on the usage of this image
>>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
>>> +-0
>>>
>>> Sorry, but I don't like the picture optically, but unfortunately I am
>>> not a graphics expert to improve it.
>>>
>>> I would also like to point out that "open-source" might be "open
>>> source" (as in : "Open Source Initiative -
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Initiative") should be
>>> called "open source", because this is about English and not German).
>>> Also the ASF itself normally writes "open source", see for example
>>> https://www.apache.org/ or
>>> http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
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Re: Proposals
Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
Hi Matthias
> On 09/10/2020 12:03 PM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> Personally, I would align with the OK button in that dialog.
In my opinion that would not improve the logo. The OK button is 16 px to the right and if I moved the ellipse there, the whitespace would be unbalanced compared to the whitespace from the top. Currently it is at 6px from the top and right edge.
> One more thing: Remember, in the end the graphic has to have transparent
> background:
>
> https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127923
Thank you for the reminder! Done!
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod4.png
Regards,
Pedro
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Re: Proposals
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Pedro,
Am 10.09.20 um 12:51 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias
>
>> On 09/10/2020 10:08 AM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>> Did you export your logo and exchange it with the one in your /programs
>> directory?
>>
>> The graphic needs some whitespace on the right size, I guess...
> No, I had not done that yet.
> I agree it can use a little white space from the edge of the dialog.
Personally, I would align with the OK button in that dialog.
>
> Two options:
>
> 1) Resize ellipse so there is some space above and to the right, keeping the font size at 13
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod2.png
>
> 2) Same as 1 but with font size set to 12pt
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod3.png
>
> The second has more space but could be difficult to read on a small screen with high resolution.
>
> Opinions/suggestions?
One more thing: Remember, in the end the graphic has to have transparent
background:
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127923
Regards,
Matthias
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi all,
Am 13.09.20 um 11:00 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Hi Pedro,
>
> Am 13.09.20 um 10:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> Hi Jörg, all
>>
>> Starting with an answer to one of your previous emails
>>
>>> And that's exactly the question: is there still a process or is everything finished?
>> Yes there is a process, and it is barely started! I'm just trying to get things moving! Can we quickly solve the logo issue to move on to create an RC1 that we can test?
> Feel free to commit whatever logo is wanted. I will take some days off
> now, but will be available for building an RC.
That said, I made a final adjustment to the About logo:
https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
The Intro logo is unchanged:
https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png
Regards,
Matthias
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>>
>>> (Note: I would also prefer this suggestion over Pedro's proposal.)
>> Excellent! As I mentioned before I'm not a designer and I was simply trying to hack a design that would gather consensus. If Matthias' design are acceptable by everyone let's use them.
>>
>>>> Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
>>>> proposal for the About dialog:
>>>>
>>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
>>> OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole display looks unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
>>> This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest of the logo.
>>>
>>> Explanation: In your suggestion (https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text leans against the beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".
>> I think that what you mean is that it is not aligned?
>> Would it be possible for you and Matthias to discuss this off-list in German and reach an agreement?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Pedro
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
Hi Matthias, all
> On 09/13/2020 10:00 AM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> Feel free to commit whatever logo is wanted. I will take some days off
> now, but will be available for building an RC.
Thank you for the availability!
Enjoy your days off!
If there is no opposition I will commit both your logos mentioned on your other email
https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png
to branch 4.1.8 in location main/default_images/introabout
to replace the current images.
I hope this can be approved by Lazy Consensus if there is no opposition expressed within the next 72 hours.
Regards,
Pedro
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Pedro,
Am 13.09.20 um 10:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Jörg, all
>
> Starting with an answer to one of your previous emails
>
>> And that's exactly the question: is there still a process or is everything finished?
> Yes there is a process, and it is barely started! I'm just trying to get things moving! Can we quickly solve the logo issue to move on to create an RC1 that we can test?
Feel free to commit whatever logo is wanted. I will take some days off
now, but will be available for building an RC.
Regards,
Matthias
>
>> (Note: I would also prefer this suggestion over Pedro's proposal.)
> Excellent! As I mentioned before I'm not a designer and I was simply trying to hack a design that would gather consensus. If Matthias' design are acceptable by everyone let's use them.
>
>>> Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
>>> proposal for the About dialog:
>>>
>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
>> OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole display looks unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
>> This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest of the logo.
>>
>> Explanation: In your suggestion (https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text leans against the beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".
> I think that what you mean is that it is not aligned?
> Would it be possible for you and Matthias to discuss this off-list in German and reach an agreement?
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
Hi Pedro,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org]
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 10:47 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
As I mentioned before I'm not a designer and I was
> simply trying to hack a design that would gather consensus.
> If Matthias' design are acceptable by everyone let's use them.
>
> > > Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here
> is also my
> > > proposal for the About dialog:
> > >
> > > https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
> >
> > OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole
> display looks unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
> > This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest
> of the logo.
> >
> > Explanation: In your suggestion
> (https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text
> leans against the beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".
>
> I think that what you mean is that it is not aligned?
Yes, aligning it would be (theoretically) a possibility, but in concrete terms there seems to be hardly enough space available.
I uploaded a sketch, the text would have to be arranged imho within the red lines:
http://calc-info.de/files/skizze.gif
but the text would have to be quite small and I don't know if that is acceptable.
A basic remark:
would it be good to use two different logos (one for Splash-Screen and one for About-Box)? Or is that not the point at all?
Yes, this remark extends the discussion (and makes it more difficult) but please understand my position - I _don't_ want to dominate the discussion with my opinion.
So at the end of the discussion the _best technical_ (or optical) solution should be found and not a 'deal' just to not annoy anybody.
> Would it be possible for you and Matthias to discuss this
> off-list in German and reach an agreement?
I would agree, but I know that Mathias won't talk to me. Therefore it is unfortunately not possible.
Jörg
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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
Hi Jörg, all
Starting with an answer to one of your previous emails
> And that's exactly the question: is there still a process or is everything finished?
Yes there is a process, and it is barely started! I'm just trying to get things moving! Can we quickly solve the logo issue to move on to create an RC1 that we can test?
> (Note: I would also prefer this suggestion over Pedro's proposal.)
Excellent! As I mentioned before I'm not a designer and I was simply trying to hack a design that would gather consensus. If Matthias' design are acceptable by everyone let's use them.
> > Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
> > proposal for the About dialog:
> >
> > https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
>
> OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole display looks unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
> This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest of the logo.
>
> Explanation: In your suggestion (https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text leans against the beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".
I think that what you mean is that it is not aligned?
Would it be possible for you and Matthias to discuss this off-list in German and reach an agreement?
Regards,
Pedro
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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.seidel@hamburg.de]
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 11:54 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
>
> Hi Pedro, all,
>
> Am 12.09.20 um 11:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> > Hi Joerg, all
> >
> >> On 09/12/2020 8:24 AM Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
> >> first of all: please consider that I have already
> evaluated this logo as positive.
> > This is the splash logo. I just wanted to make sure this
> position for placing the same ellipse was ok.
> >
> > To be honest on any of my PCs the logo doesn't display long
> enough to see it so I'm just updating it for a matter of consistency.
>
> Agreed, but for the same reason, here is my proposal for the splash
> screen (Intro):
>
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png
++1, for my part clear agreement
(Note: I would also prefer this suggestion over Pedro's proposal.)
> Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
> proposal for the About dialog:
>
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
OK, the horizontal distance is bigger, but still the whole display looks unbalanced because it lacks 'optical stability'.
This means that the text is not 'leaning' against the rest of the logo.
Explanation: In your suggestion (https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png) the text leans against the beginning and the end of "OpenOffice 4".
Jörg
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Carl Marcum <cm...@apache.org>.
Hi all,
On 9/12/20 5:53 AM, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Pedro, all,
>
> Am 12.09.20 um 11:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> Hi Joerg, all
>>
>>> On 09/12/2020 8:24 AM Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
>>> first of all: please consider that I have already evaluated this logo as positive.
>> This is the splash logo. I just wanted to make sure this position for placing the same ellipse was ok.
>>
>> To be honest on any of my PCs the logo doesn't display long enough to see it so I'm just updating it for a matter of consistency.
> Agreed, but for the same reason, here is my proposal for the splash
> screen (Intro):
>
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png
I like the layout of this one. I know we're only talking about the
splash screen now but it seems like it would fit better in more places
outside or that like in presentations or websites.
>
> Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
> proposal for the About dialog:
>
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
>
>>
>>> But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains the already known suggestion from me (write the text in one line below the logo).
>> I considered this suggestion but in my opinion the ellipse is a better option.
>>
>>> For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he suggested a detail improvement which I liked very much and he understands my suggestion.
>>>
>>> Is it now worth to work it out?
>> Any idea/design is welcome as long as this process moves forward fast!
>>
>>> Maybe Czeslaw would be so kind to link his (already known to me) designs here on the list?
>> Please do, but do that today if possible!
> Definitely!
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>> Regards,
>> Pedro
>>
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Pedro, all,
Am 12.09.20 um 11:46 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Joerg, all
>
>> On 09/12/2020 8:24 AM Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
>> first of all: please consider that I have already evaluated this logo as positive.
> This is the splash logo. I just wanted to make sure this position for placing the same ellipse was ok.
>
> To be honest on any of my PCs the logo doesn't display long enough to see it so I'm just updating it for a matter of consistency.
Agreed, but for the same reason, here is my proposal for the splash
screen (Intro):
https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/intro_mseidel.png
Dave Fisher brought up the idea of a three liner, so here is also my
proposal for the About dialog:
https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_mseidel.png
>
>> But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains the already known suggestion from me (write the text in one line below the logo).
> I considered this suggestion but in my opinion the ellipse is a better option.
>
>> For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he suggested a detail improvement which I liked very much and he understands my suggestion.
>>
>> Is it now worth to work it out?
> Any idea/design is welcome as long as this process moves forward fast!
>
>> Maybe Czeslaw would be so kind to link his (already known to me) designs here on the list?
> Please do, but do that today if possible!
Definitely!
Regards,
Matthias
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
>
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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
Hello,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org]
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 11:47 AM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
> > But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains
> the already known suggestion from me (write the text in one
> line below the logo).
>
> I considered this suggestion but in my opinion the ellipse is
> a better option.
Well, as already written out of politeness, I did not consider my suggestion to be better but only a suggestion.
By the way, my suggestion was not only addressed to you but to everyone here.
> > For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he
> suggested a detail improvement which I liked very much and he
> understands my suggestion.
> >
> > Is it now worth to work it out?
>
> Any idea/design is welcome as long as this process moves forward fast!
And that's exactly the question: is there still a process or is everything finished?
My suggestion was obviously disturbing, yours is apparently not.
Jörg
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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
Hi Joerg, all
> On 09/12/2020 8:24 AM Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de> wrote:
> first of all: please consider that I have already evaluated this logo as positive.
This is the splash logo. I just wanted to make sure this position for placing the same ellipse was ok.
To be honest on any of my PCs the logo doesn't display long enough to see it so I'm just updating it for a matter of consistency.
> But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains the already known suggestion from me (write the text in one line below the logo).
I considered this suggestion but in my opinion the ellipse is a better option.
> For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he suggested a detail improvement which I liked very much and he understands my suggestion.
>
> Is it now worth to work it out?
Any idea/design is welcome as long as this process moves forward fast!
> Maybe Czeslaw would be so kind to link his (already known to me) designs here on the list?
Please do, but do that today if possible!
Regards,
Pedro
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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
Hello *,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org]
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 11:53 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
>
> Hi Czeslaw, all
>
> Here is the updated intro/splash logo open for comments/ideas
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> ster/intro.png
first of all: please consider that I have already evaluated this logo as positive.
But if you ask for ideas and comments, my comment remains the already known suggestion from me (write the text in one line below the logo).
For this I also discussed off-list with Czeslaw and he suggested a detail improvement which I liked very much and he understands my suggestion.
Is it now worth to work it out?
Maybe Czeslaw would be so kind to link his (already known to me) designs here on the list?
Jörg
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi -
For all of the non-native English speakers please know that like Spanish English has many dialects.
Also please recall that on the website we currently keep the tag line “The Free and Open Productivity Suite” as text and allow translations for the native websites.
Again I want to let people know that we are really debating between a quick solution and perfect solutions.
Regards,
Dave
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> On Sep 12, 2020, at 10:35 AM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:17:18 +0200
> Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian, all
>>
>>> Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact:
>>> you are in good company.
>>
>> Thank you for pointing out this mistake.
>> I can only speak for myself - I am grateful and not embarrassed at all.
>> My mother tongue (L1 - Polish) makes me wonder if I'll ever understand it,
>> let alone foreign languages I happen to "speak".
>>
>> Just out of curiosity (I am not the cat...):
>> Wording "Since 20 years" is simply not English, unless it refers to a point
>> in time code-named "20 years"
>> True or False? ;‑)
>
> One could say "Since twenty years have elapsed, we might reasonably presume XYZ is dead" or "As twenty years have elapsed, we might reasonably presume XYZ is dead"
>
> "I have not taken a photograph since I hung up my cameras thirty years ago."
>
> Rory
>
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Czesław
>>
>>
>> сб, 12 сент. 2020 г. в 18:29, Brian Barker
>> <b....@btinternet.com.invalid>:
>>
>>> At 13:33 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski wrote:
>>>> Due file is available at the following link:
>>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> COMMENT
>>>> ... there should be a way to gently move the
>>>> focus from the otherwise important "Apache /
>>>> Open Office" to Jörg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
>>>
>>> Sorry, but as has already been pointed out,
>>> "since 20 years" is simply not English. "Since"
>>> requires a point in time, not a period of time.
>>> So you can say "since 2000" or "since twenty
>>> years *ago*", but not "since 20 years". For a
>>> period of time, idiomatic English definitely requires "for": "for 20
>>> years".
>>>
>>> Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact: you are
>>> in good company. The lyricist of the Swedish pop
>>> group ABBA (Björn Ulvaeus?) is proud of the
>>> accuracy of the English lyrics he wrote. But he
>>> quotes against himself the one mistake he
>>> recognises. Not happening to be a pop fan, I've
>>> had to look this up, but in _Fernando_ appears
>>> the (incorrect) line "Since many years I haven't
>>> seen a rifle in your hand". Read "For many years...".
>>>
>>> Brian Barker
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>
>
> --
> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
>
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 19:17:18 +0200
Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Brian, all
>
> > Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact:
> > you are in good company.
>
> Thank you for pointing out this mistake.
> I can only speak for myself - I am grateful and not embarrassed at all.
> My mother tongue (L1 - Polish) makes me wonder if I'll ever understand it,
> let alone foreign languages I happen to "speak".
>
> Just out of curiosity (I am not the cat...):
> Wording "Since 20 years" is simply not English, unless it refers to a point
> in time code-named "20 years"
> True or False? ;‑)
One could say "Since twenty years have elapsed, we might reasonably presume XYZ is dead" or "As twenty years have elapsed, we might reasonably presume XYZ is dead"
"I have not taken a photograph since I hung up my cameras thirty years ago."
Rory
> Regards,
>
> Czesław
>
>
> сб, 12 сент. 2020 г. в 18:29, Brian Barker
> <b....@btinternet.com.invalid>:
>
> > At 13:33 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski wrote:
> > >Due file is available at the following link:
> > >
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing
> > >
> > >COMMENT
> > >... there should be a way to gently move the
> > >focus from the otherwise important "Apache /
> > >Open Office" to Jörg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
> >
> > Sorry, but as has already been pointed out,
> > "since 20 years" is simply not English. "Since"
> > requires a point in time, not a period of time.
> > So you can say "since 2000" or "since twenty
> > years *ago*", but not "since 20 years". For a
> > period of time, idiomatic English definitely requires "for": "for 20
> > years".
> >
> > Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact: you are
> > in good company. The lyricist of the Swedish pop
> > group ABBA (Björn Ulvaeus?) is proud of the
> > accuracy of the English lyrics he wrote. But he
> > quotes against himself the one mistake he
> > recognises. Not happening to be a pop fan, I've
> > had to look this up, but in _Fernando_ appears
> > the (incorrect) line "Since many years I haven't
> > seen a rifle in your hand". Read "For many years...".
> >
> > Brian Barker
> >
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com.INVALID>.
At 19:17 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski wrote:
>Just out of curiosity (I am not the cat...):
>Wording "Since 20 years" is simply not English, unless it refers to
>a point in time code-named "20 years"
>True or False?
True. But I cannot imagine any point in time being named "20 years" -
unless what is meant is "the year 20", i.e. 20 CE.
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com>.
Hi Brian, all
> Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact:
> you are in good company.
Thank you for pointing out this mistake.
I can only speak for myself - I am grateful and not embarrassed at all.
My mother tongue (L1 - Polish) makes me wonder if I'll ever understand it,
let alone foreign languages I happen to "speak".
Just out of curiosity (I am not the cat...):
Wording "Since 20 years" is simply not English, unless it refers to a point
in time code-named "20 years"
True or False? ;‑)
Regards,
Czesław
сб, 12 сент. 2020 г. в 18:29, Brian Barker
<b....@btinternet.com.invalid>:
> At 13:33 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski wrote:
> >Due file is available at the following link:
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing
> >
> >COMMENT
> >... there should be a way to gently move the
> >focus from the otherwise important "Apache /
> >Open Office" to Jörg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
>
> Sorry, but as has already been pointed out,
> "since 20 years" is simply not English. "Since"
> requires a point in time, not a period of time.
> So you can say "since 2000" or "since twenty
> years *ago*", but not "since 20 years". For a
> period of time, idiomatic English definitely requires "for": "for 20
> years".
>
> Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact: you are
> in good company. The lyricist of the Swedish pop
> group ABBA (Björn Ulvaeus?) is proud of the
> accuracy of the English lyrics he wrote. But he
> quotes against himself the one mistake he
> recognises. Not happening to be a pop fan, I've
> had to look this up, but in _Fernando_ appears
> the (incorrect) line "Since many years I haven't
> seen a rifle in your hand". Read "For many years...".
>
> Brian Barker
>
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com.INVALID>.
At 13:33 12/09/2020 +0200, Czeslaw Wolanski wrote:
>Due file is available at the following link:
>https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing
>
>COMMENT
>... there should be a way to gently move the
>focus from the otherwise important "Apache /
>Open Office" to Jörg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
Sorry, but as has already been pointed out,
"since 20 years" is simply not English. "Since"
requires a point in time, not a period of time.
So you can say "since 2000" or "since twenty
years *ago*", but not "since 20 years". For a
period of time, idiomatic English definitely requires "for": "for 20 years".
Don't be embarrassed; here's a fun fact: you are
in good company. The lyricist of the Swedish pop
group ABBA (Björn Ulvaeus?) is proud of the
accuracy of the English lyrics he wrote. But he
quotes against himself the one mistake he
recognises. Not happening to be a pop fan, I've
had to look this up, but in _Fernando_ appears
the (incorrect) line "Since many years I haven't
seen a rifle in your hand". Read "For many years...".
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RE: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
Hello,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Czesław Wolański [mailto:czeslaw.wolanski@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
>
> Hi all,
>
> My apologies for a delayed response. Due file is available at
> the following
> link:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTt
> bPN/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> COMMENT
> I studied Jörg's original proposal. It occured to me there
> should be a way
> to gently move the focus from the otherwise important "Apache / Open
> Office"
> to Jorg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
> (short, dynamic, very catchy slogan - like the one by Ritter Sport:
> "Quadratisch. Praktisch. Gut.",
> in English: "Square. Practical. Good.").
Yes, you understand me quite right.
The reason for using the points spelling incorrectly is the intention to achieve the effect that could be described verbally with:
"Open. For all. "
-->the dot means "... PENG" in the meaning of how to write "<Irgendetwas> PUNKT" in German to express that the "etwas" is a fact not to be discussed.
"Since 20 years"
-->the omission of the point (AFTER it was emphasized before) expresses now advertising psychology something like 'natural', in the sense that it is about something not ordinary, but which seems to be natural at the same time BECAUSE the whole thing (here OpenOffice) is so above average.
(What I am trying to explain here has nothing to do with good, better, right ... but with (advertising) psychology, the fact that people react in a certain way to certain things (e.g. certain ways of writing).)
Jörg
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
My apologies for a delayed response. Due file is available at the following
link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1C8WAM7z5MEoW9VnLtwXBfqYGoPSTtbPN/view?usp=sharing
COMMENT
I studied Jörg's original proposal. It occured to me there should be a way
to gently move the focus from the otherwise important "Apache / Open
Office"
to Jorg's sound suggestion: "Open. For all. Since 20 years"
(short, dynamic, very catchy slogan - like the one by Ritter Sport:
"Quadratisch. Praktisch. Gut.",
in English: "Square. Practical. Good.").
So I added two gray horizontal lines - source of which we all know (the
Start Center).
Position, thickness, type, length and colour of lines may depend on:
- the main block ("Apache / Open Office" OR the seagull logo with "Apache /
Open Office")
- the font size/colour combination for the slogan
- the visual context.
I didn't make my amateurish proposal public because I understood time
constraints, space constraints
and the need for a simple (but not simplistic), universal solution ( About
dialog and/or Splash Screen).
Regards,
Czesław
сб, 12 сент. 2020 г. в 12:00, Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>:
> Hi Matthias, all
>
> > On 09/12/2020 8:40 AM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>
> wrote:
>
> > The main problem with the SVG is that people not having installed
> > exactly the same font like you will see problems with the text.
> > So the last step to produce a universal SVG would be to convert all the
> > text to curves.
>
> Good point! Done!
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/368e8fc4cac32f3531c824c1775774e3747fdd37/intro_curves.svg
>
> > Beware that this isn't reversible.
>
> That was a very valuable and timely warning ;) I'm keeping separate
> versions in case something needs to be edited!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
Hi Matthias, all
> On 09/12/2020 8:40 AM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> The main problem with the SVG is that people not having installed
> exactly the same font like you will see problems with the text.
> So the last step to produce a universal SVG would be to convert all the
> text to curves.
Good point! Done!
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/368e8fc4cac32f3531c824c1775774e3747fdd37/intro_curves.svg
> Beware that this isn't reversible.
That was a very valuable and timely warning ;) I'm keeping separate versions in case something needs to be edited!
Thanks!
Regards,
Pedro
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Re: Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Pedro,
Am 11.09.20 um 23:53 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Czeslaw, all
>
> Here is the updated intro/splash logo open for comments/ideas
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/intro.png
>
> And as before the vector version free for anyone to modify
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/8b57e7c64d5560997df4b3fbeee276479d5abe1c/intro.svg
The main problem with the SVG is that people not having installed
exactly the same font like you will see problems with the text.
So the last step to produce a universal SVG would be to convert all the
text to curves. Beware that this isn't reversible.
Regards,
Matthias
>
>> On 09/11/2020 10:50 AM Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Aren't you a designer? ;‑)
> Nope. I'm a hacker ;)
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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Updated intro logo [was Re: Proposals]
Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
Hi Czeslaw, all
Here is the updated intro/splash logo open for comments/ideas
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/intro.png
And as before the vector version free for anyone to modify
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/8b57e7c64d5560997df4b3fbeee276479d5abe1c/intro.svg
> On 09/11/2020 10:50 AM Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Aren't you a designer? ;‑)
Nope. I'm a hacker ;)
Regards,
Pedro
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Re: Proposals
Posted by Czesław Wolański <cz...@gmail.com>.
Hi Pedro, all
> Two options:
>
> 1) Resize ellipse so there is some space above and to the
> right, keeping the font size at 13
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> ster/openoffice_mod2.png
sgn(1)
> 2) Same as 1 but with font size set to 12pt
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> ster/openoffice_mod3.png
++1
Once you wrote: "I warned in advance that I am not a designer".
This time no forewarning and yet your proposal is fine (given
space-and-time constraints).
Aren't you a designer? ;‑)
Regards,
Czesław
пт, 11 сент. 2020 г. в 10:26, Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:52 PM
> > To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Proposals
> >
> > Hi Matthias
> >
> > > On 09/10/2020 10:08 AM Matthias Seidel
> > <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> >
> > > Did you export your logo and exchange it with the one in
> > your /programs
> > > directory?
> > >
> > > The graphic needs some whitespace on the right size, I guess...
> >
> > No, I had not done that yet.
> > I agree it can use a little white space from the edge of the dialog.
> >
> > Two options:
> >
> > 1) Resize ellipse so there is some space above and to the
> > right, keeping the font size at 13
> > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> > ster/openoffice_mod2.png
>
> +1
>
> > 2) Same as 1 but with font size set to 12pt
> > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> > ster/openoffice_mod3.png
>
> ++1
>
>
> Jörg
>
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RE: Proposals
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org]
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 12:52 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Proposals
>
> Hi Matthias
>
> > On 09/10/2020 10:08 AM Matthias Seidel
> <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>
> > Did you export your logo and exchange it with the one in
> your /programs
> > directory?
> >
> > The graphic needs some whitespace on the right size, I guess...
>
> No, I had not done that yet.
> I agree it can use a little white space from the edge of the dialog.
>
> Two options:
>
> 1) Resize ellipse so there is some space above and to the
> right, keeping the font size at 13
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> ster/openoffice_mod2.png
+1
> 2) Same as 1 but with font size set to 12pt
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> ster/openoffice_mod3.png
++1
Jörg
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Re: Proposals
Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
Hi Matthias
> On 09/10/2020 10:08 AM Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> Did you export your logo and exchange it with the one in your /programs
> directory?
>
> The graphic needs some whitespace on the right size, I guess...
No, I had not done that yet.
I agree it can use a little white space from the edge of the dialog.
Two options:
1) Resize ellipse so there is some space above and to the right, keeping the font size at 13
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod2.png
2) Same as 1 but with font size set to 12pt
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod3.png
The second has more space but could be difficult to read on a small screen with high resolution.
Opinions/suggestions?
Regards,
Pedro
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Re: Proposals
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Pedro,
Am 10.09.20 um 01:29 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Marcus, all
>
>> On 09/09/2020 6:31 PM Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>> Or start a new vote that includes all proposed logos. Then it's up to
>> the vote starter to collect all proposed logos upfront. ;-)
> I have hacked an image that I hope can be agreed upon or modified rapidly to reach agreement
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png
Did you export your logo and exchange it with the one in your /programs
directory?
The graphic needs some whitespace on the right size, I guess...
Regards,
Matthias
>
> 1) Uses open-source as mentioned in Merriam-Webster (and in this context it is an adjective)
> 2) Uses a more lively color (#FF6000)
> 3) Adds the word Free (which seems relevant)
> 4) The added text is isolated by an ellipse
> 5) The font used is Source Sans Pro (v3) 13pt Italic which is freely available on Github
> https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-sans-pro
> 6) It is available as an SVG so it can be edited and translated
> (although I think it is not possible to include a translated logo per language and starting l10n for this would definitely stop the release)
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.svg
>
> If this proposal is more consensual I could stop the current vote and start a new one with the current proposals including this one (or any one that is agreed upon)
>
> Regards,
> Pedro
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Re: Proposals
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:46 AM, Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>
> Am 10.09.20 um 10:41 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>>
>>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png
>>> Good work!
>> +1
>>> I also liked the idea of adding "free" and did some further "hacking" on my original proposal:
>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-1.png
>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-2.png
>> You have taken the trouble to recreate these modified graphics.
>> Am I really the only one here who thinks the text (to the right of the logo) would be squeezed too tight to the logo?
>
> when nobody agrees to your statement, then it seems so.
I feel that it is a bit squeezed, but I accept that because otherwise we will be redoing the layout and that has many consequences. So, making this image taller by putting the text below is a bad option that will eventually require work with every language - over 40 to assure that the layout is ok.
>
>> Look at the logo:
>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png
>> there this disadvantage does not exist.
>
> For me both (or all three) are the same with regard to squeezed text.
Yes. It is about looking at where these logos are going to be used.
A discussion about the website logo and text is wholly different and needs to be done on the L10n emailing list as well.
Regards,
Dave
>
> Marcus
>
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RE: Proposals
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 7:46 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Proposals
>
> Am 10.09.20 um 10:41 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
> >
> >>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/ma
> ster/openoffice_mod.png
> >
> >> Good work!
> >
> > +1
> >
> >> I also liked the idea of adding "free" and did some
> further "hacking" on my original proposal:
> >
> >> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-1.png
> >> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-2.png
> >
> > You have taken the trouble to recreate these modified graphics.
> >
> > Am I really the only one here who thinks the text (to the
> right of the logo) would be squeezed too tight to the logo?
>
> when nobody agrees to your statement, then it seems so.
yes, right
But don't get my question wrong, it was a rhetorical question to underline my opinion.
Jörg
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Re: Proposals
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 10.09.20 um 10:41 schrieb Jörg Schmidt:
>
>> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png
>
>> Good work!
>
> +1
>
>> I also liked the idea of adding "free" and did some further "hacking" on my original proposal:
>
>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-1.png
>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-2.png
>
> You have taken the trouble to recreate these modified graphics.
>
> Am I really the only one here who thinks the text (to the right of the logo) would be squeezed too tight to the logo?
when nobody agrees to your statement, then it seems so.
> Look at the logo:
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png
>
> there this disadvantage does not exist.
For me both (or all three) are the same with regard to squeezed text.
Marcus
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RE: Proposals
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png
> Good work!
+1
> I also liked the idea of adding "free" and did some further "hacking" on my original proposal:
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-1.png
> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-2.png
You have taken the trouble to recreate these modified graphics.
Am I really the only one here who thinks the text (to the right of the logo) would be squeezed too tight to the logo?
Look at the logo:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png
there this disadvantage does not exist.
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Re: Proposals
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Pedro,
Am 10.09.20 um 01:29 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Marcus, all
>
>> On 09/09/2020 6:31 PM Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
>> Or start a new vote that includes all proposed logos. Then it's up to
>> the vote starter to collect all proposed logos upfront. ;-)
> I have hacked an image that I hope can be agreed upon or modified rapidly to reach agreement
>
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png
Good work!
I also liked the idea of adding "free" and did some further "hacking" on
my original proposal:
https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-1.png
https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs-2.png
> 1) Uses open-source as mentioned in Merriam-Webster (and in this context it is an adjective)
> 2) Uses a more lively color (#FF6000)
> 3) Adds the word Free (which seems relevant)
> 4) The added text is isolated by an ellipse
> 5) The font used is Source Sans Pro (v3) 13pt Italic which is freely available on Github
> https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-sans-pro
> 6) It is available as an SVG so it can be edited and translated
> (although I think it is not possible to include a translated logo per language and starting l10n for this would definitely stop the release)
> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.svg
>
> If this proposal is more consensual I could stop the current vote and start a new one with the current proposals including this one (or any one that is agreed upon)
It is up to you if you stop the vote. But we have several +1 now and one
-0.9 which basically means:
'I /really/ don't like this, but I'm not going to stand in the way if
everyone else wants to go ahead with it.'
(https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#expressing-votes-1-0-1-and-fractions)
BTW: Thanks for finding "Source Sans Pro" on GitHub. I had an older
version from the time Chris Rottensteiner designed our logo with it.
Regards,
Matthias
> Regards,
> Pedro
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Re: Proposals
Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org>.
Hi Marcus, all
> On 09/09/2020 6:31 PM Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> Or start a new vote that includes all proposed logos. Then it's up to
> the vote starter to collect all proposed logos upfront. ;-)
I have hacked an image that I hope can be agreed upon or modified rapidly to reach agreement
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.png
1) Uses open-source as mentioned in Merriam-Webster (and in this context it is an adjective)
2) Uses a more lively color (#FF6000)
3) Adds the word Free (which seems relevant)
4) The added text is isolated by an ellipse
5) The font used is Source Sans Pro (v3) 13pt Italic which is freely available on Github
https://github.com/adobe-fonts/source-sans-pro
6) It is available as an SVG so it can be edited and translated
(although I think it is not possible to include a translated logo per language and starting l10n for this would definitely stop the release)
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pedlino/pedlino.github.io/master/openoffice_mod.svg
If this proposal is more consensual I could stop the current vote and start a new one with the current proposals including this one (or any one that is agreed upon)
Regards,
Pedro
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RE: Proposals
Posted by Jörg Schmidt <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.mail@wtnet.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2020 7:32 PM
> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Proposals
>
> Am 09.09.20 um 15:36 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> > Please do not hijack a VOTE.
> >
> > You can answer +1, abstain or -1 (giving your reason)
>
> right, it looks like if we don't know how a vote is working.
> > Proposals could (and should) have been made months ago.
>
> Or start a new vote that includes all proposed logos.
I would like that well, because the reason to see the individual suggestion rather negatively, far less the formulation "open-source for 20 years" is, _than rather that it looks simply optically bad to position these words *cramped* behind the Logo_.
> Then it's up to
> the vote starter to collect all proposed logos upfront. J
I understand ... and I declare that I would take over this work _if_ we decide to vote again.
Because the current new logo proposals were brought forward very quickly, I think that it would be possible to collect them by setting a short deadline of 3 days.
Jörg
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Re: Proposals
Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 09.09.20 um 20:03 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Am 09.09.20 um 19:31 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 09.09.20 um 15:36 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>>> Please do not hijack a VOTE.
>>>
>>> You can answer +1, abstain or -1 (giving your reason)
>>
>> right, it looks like if we don't know how a vote is working.
>>
>>> Proposals could (and should) have been made months ago.
>>
>> Or start a new vote that includes all proposed logos. Then it's up to
>> the vote starter to collect all proposed logos upfront. ;-)
>
> Yes, but if we want to release around the 20th anniversary, then time is
> running out...
sure, it was meant as another theoretical possibility.
> But if we don't come to a conclusion in a timely manner we can still
> release with an unchanged About logo.
> Although this is not my preferred solution...
We have already a problem with the currently running vote as there is no
end time. ;-)
But when we assume max. 5 days it should be OK.
Marcus
>>> Am 09.09.20 um 11:33 schrieb Bidouille:
>>>> Another suggestion:
>>>> https://www.cjoint.com/doc/20_09/JIjjGPLiU5s_about-20yrs.png
>>>>
>>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>>>> De: "Jörg Schmidt" <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>
>>>>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>> Envoyé: Mercredi 9 Septembre 2020 08:24:44
>>>>> Objet: RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About
>>>>> 20th anniversary plans]
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:10 PM
>>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>> Subject: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re:
>>>>>> About 20th anniversary plans]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Matthias, all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel
>>>>>> <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
>>>>>> I call for a vote on the usage of this image
>>>>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
>>>>> +-0
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but I don't like the picture optically, but unfortunately I am
>>>>> not a graphics expert to improve it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also like to point out that "open-source" might be "open
>>>>> source" (as in : "Open Source Initiative -
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Initiative") should be
>>>>> called "open source", because this is about English and not German).
>>>>> Also the ASF itself normally writes "open source", see for example
>>>>> https://www.apache.org/ or
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
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Re: Proposals
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Marcus,
Am 09.09.20 um 19:31 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 09.09.20 um 15:36 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
>> Please do not hijack a VOTE.
>>
>> You can answer +1, abstain or -1 (giving your reason)
>
> right, it looks like if we don't know how a vote is working.
>
>> Proposals could (and should) have been made months ago.
>
> Or start a new vote that includes all proposed logos. Then it's up to
> the vote starter to collect all proposed logos upfront. ;-)
Yes, but if we want to release around the 20th anniversary, then time is
running out...
But if we don't come to a conclusion in a timely manner we can still
release with an unchanged About logo.
Although this is not my preferred solution...
Matthias
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>> Am 09.09.20 um 11:33 schrieb Bidouille:
>>> Another suggestion:
>>> https://www.cjoint.com/doc/20_09/JIjjGPLiU5s_about-20yrs.png
>>>
>>> ----- Mail original -----
>>>> De: "Jörg Schmidt" <jo...@j-m-schmidt.de>
>>>> À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>> Envoyé: Mercredi 9 Septembre 2020 08:24:44
>>>> Objet: RE: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re: About
>>>> 20th anniversary plans]
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Pedro Lino [mailto:pedro.lino@mailbox.org]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 7:10 PM
>>>>> To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>> Subject: [vote] Logo for About dialog in 4.1.8 [was: Re:
>>>>> About 20th anniversary plans]
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Matthias, all
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 09/08/2020 3:11 PM Matthias Seidel
>>>>> <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I am still not sure what I should vote for/against?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The graphic (which one)? Or committing it to branch 418?
>>>>> I call for a vote on the usage of this image
>>>>> https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/about_20yrs.png
>>>> +-0
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but I don't like the picture optically, but unfortunately I am
>>>> not a graphics expert to improve it.
>>>>
>>>> I would also like to point out that "open-source" might be "open
>>>> source" (as in : "Open Source Initiative -
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Source_Initiative") should be
>>>> called "open source", because this is about English and not German).
>>>> Also the ASF itself normally writes "open source", see for example
>>>> https://www.apache.org/ or
>>>> http://www.apache.org/theapacheway/index.html
>
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