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Posted to dev@httpd.apache.org by Sam Rasins <sa...@dns.omniport.net> on 1998/11/06 11:09:27 UTC

SiteMetrics? Where are they getting their sites?

Howdy,

This is an FYI ....

Anybody know where SiteMetrics gets their sites ... it is sure not the
same as Netcraft!  Also, someone may want to contact Information Week
and let them know the "real" story!

Regards,
Sambo	P-)
<Sa...@Caribe-Enterprises.com>

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what it is I'll get married again.
		-- Clint Eastwood

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Good Morning! Today is Nov. 6. And this is ...
------------INFORMATIONWEEK DAILY--------------
The E-Mail News Service For IT Decision Makers
* Now reaching more than 150,000 subscribers and growing *
from  I N F O R M A T I O N W E E K  magazine
........ http://www.informationweek.com ........
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1) Top Stories:
   - State Of California Launches Online Procurement Bid
   - USWeb Taps Former Oracle VP For CEO Slot
   - Forrester Predicts Internet Market Could Hit 
     $3 Trillion by 2003
   - Microsoft Makes Steady Gains In Web Server Market

TOP STORIES

____State Of California Moves To Online Procurement____
<snip>

____________USWeb Hires Ex-Oracle VP As CEO___________
<snip>

_____E-Commerce Market Could Hit $3.2 Trillion By 2003____
<snip>

_____Microsoft Gaining On Rivals In Web Server Market_____
Microsoft is gaining a greater share of the market for Web 
servers, according to a survey of Internet sites operated by 
the country's largest companies. The results were released 
Thursday by SiteMetrics Corp. 

Microsoft's Internet Information Server has 28% of the 
market, compared with about 22% six months ago. The open 
source Apache server, however, is still the preferred 
product and is used by 36% of all Web sites included in the 
survey, which began earlier this year. Netscape Enterprise 
Server brings up the rear at 19% of all sites. 

At the top end of the market though, Netscape reigns with 
its Web server used at 33% of 4,300 businesses surveyed that 
have more than $1 billion in annual revenue. But even here 
Microsoft is making inroads, narrowing Netscape's lead in 
this segment from 14% to just 6% in the last six months. 
Microsoft's IIS and Apache both hold 27% of the high-end Web 
server market. Products from various smaller vendors make up 
the remainder of the sites surveyed. 

Users are switching from those second-tier vendors to the 
Big Three, especially Microsoft, the survey found. The poll 
was conducted by presenting questions to people who operate 
53,000 Web domains or addresses that are owned by 30,000 of 
the country's largest businesses. -- Gregory Dalton


For more IT news, see InformationWeek Online at
http://www.informationweek.com 
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Re: SiteMetrics? Where are they getting their sites?

Posted by Martin Kraemer <ma...@mch.sni.de>.
On Fri, Nov 06, 1998 at 09:41:40AM -0700, Marc Slemko wrote:
> Not only is it based only on what people in the US used, but it is based
> on what people in the "largest businesses" _say_ they use.  While it is a
> valid measurement of something, I'm doubtful that it represents the web as
> a whole.  

Yeah, I'm always angry about my company when I see its external (Netscape
based) pages fail in many situations. To be fair, it's often not the servers
that fail but the WebMasters...

But InformationWeek really want to *PROVE* that free software sucks:
When I went to http://www.InformationWeek.com today, using a
Netscape 4.05 browser, this was what I got (note the duplicate MIME
header):
    telnet myproxy 81
    Connected to myproxy.
    Escape character is '^]'.
    GET http://www.InformationWeek.com HTTP/1.0

    HTTP/1.0 200 OK
    Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 18:52:29 GMT
    Server: Apache/1.2.0 mod_perl/1.08
    Content-type: text/html
    Via: 1.0 myproxy:81 (Apache/1.3.3)




    HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error
    Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 18:44:06 GMT
    Server: Apache/1.2.0 mod_perl/1.08
    Last-Modified: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:52:37 GMT
    ETag: "802f-19d-363759e5"
    Content-Length: 413
    Accept-Ranges: bytes
    Connection: close
    Content-Type: text/html

    <HTML>
    <HEAD>
    </HEAD>
    <BODY BGCOLOR=#FFFFFF TEXT="#000000" LINK="#990000" ALINK="#996600" VLINK="#996600">
    <BASE TARGET="_top">

    We're sorry! Your request has generated an error of some kind.<p>

    The error has been logged and will be examined promptly by our
    technical staff. We apologize for the inconvenience.
    <p>

    <a href="http://www.informationweek.com">Go to Information Week home page</a>
    </BODY>
    </HTML>

Reloading (or clicking on the `self' link) didn't help either.

    Martin
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Re: SiteMetrics? Where are they getting their sites?

Posted by Ben Laurie <be...@algroup.co.uk>.
Marc Slemko wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Sam Rasins wrote:
> 
> > Big Three, especially Microsoft, the survey found. The poll
> > was conducted by presenting questions to people who operate
> > 53,000 Web domains or addresses that are owned by 30,000 of
> > the country's largest businesses. -- Gregory Dalton
> 
> That about says it all.
> 
> Not only is it based only on what people in the US used, but it is based
> on what people in the "largest businesses" _say_ they use.  While it is a
> valid measurement of something, I'm doubtful that it represents the web as
> a whole.

Especially when you consider that there's at least one "large business"
that I know of that _thinks_ it runs a certain commercial webserver, but
its tekkies know better...

Cheers,

Ben.

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Re: SiteMetrics? Where are they getting their sites?

Posted by Marc Slemko <ma...@worldgate.com>.
On Fri, 6 Nov 1998, Sam Rasins wrote:

> Big Three, especially Microsoft, the survey found. The poll 
> was conducted by presenting questions to people who operate 
> 53,000 Web domains or addresses that are owned by 30,000 of 
> the country's largest businesses. -- Gregory Dalton

That about says it all.  

Not only is it based only on what people in the US used, but it is based
on what people in the "largest businesses" _say_ they use.  While it is a
valid measurement of something, I'm doubtful that it represents the web as
a whole.