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Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Hi all,
call me crazy, but I suggest to make a OJB 1.0.3 bug fix release as soon
as possible.
I found a critical typo in OJB.properties file and a bug in the odmg-api
implementation (jira OJB-7/-8). Both are fixed in OJB_1_0_RELEASE branch.
In near future I will check in a refactored version of odmg's named
object handling (will fix a undocumented bug).
So a bug fix release is indicated.
WDYT?
regards,
Armin
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Armin Waibel <ar...@apache.org>.
Brian McCallister wrote:
> Erg, just tagged, umh. We should have all fixes for a release in before
> we vote on that release, I think.
>
yep, this will be the preferable procedure to build a release. But
sometimes it is needed to check in some "last-minute" files (I know it's
evil and other will say "this have to wait till next release", but
nobody is perfect ;-)) or to say "stop I found an critical issue while
last testing".
Thus before the release build starts a "release build at 20:00 pm
today"-post to the dev-list will be helpful.
regards,
Armin
> -Brian
>
> On Apr 2, 2005, at 12:02 PM, Armin Waibel wrote:
>
>> Hi Brian,
>>
>> when will you start with the 1.0.3 release build?
>>
>> I have one open issue (handling DCollection add/remove action).
>> Currently I'm working on that stuff and I wish to fix it today.
>>
>> regards,
>> Armin
>>
>>
>> Martin Kalén wrote:
>>
>>> Armin Waibel wrote:
>>>
>>>> call me crazy, but I suggest to make a OJB 1.0.3 bug fix release as
>>>> soon as possible.
>>>
>>> Critical bug = release as fast as possible IMO.
>>> I don't think we should call it 1.0.2sp1 or just replace the
>>> binary 1.0.2 that was actually downloadable for a while (the last
>>> one is a _horrible_ support-scenario). For me a service-pack,
>>> patch-set, hotfix or similar is a small binary package you drop
>>> "next to" the relase and not a full release-drop.
>>> My suggestion is 1.0.2a or 1.0.3 with clear release notes
>>> ("this is a bug fix release"?). Since OJB has no history of lettered
>>> versioning, 1.0.3 seems more consistent.
>>> Some other thoughts summarizing my view on recent release discussions
>>> (given as hypothetical voting standpoints):
>>> +1 for normal release-cycle on a, say, monthly basis
>>> (I'm not picky with the exact cycle, 3-6 weeks is OK IMO.)
>>> -1 for pushing site only on release (let's push it more often!)
>>> -0 for holding off release beacuse of tutorial or site-changes
>>> +1 for scheduled code-freeze or vote on binaries
>>> Regards,
>>> Martin
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@chariotsolutions.com>.
Erg, just tagged, umh. We should have all fixes for a release in before
we vote on that release, I think.
-Brian
On Apr 2, 2005, at 12:02 PM, Armin Waibel wrote:
> Hi Brian,
>
> when will you start with the 1.0.3 release build?
>
> I have one open issue (handling DCollection add/remove action).
> Currently I'm working on that stuff and I wish to fix it today.
>
> regards,
> Armin
>
>
> Martin Kalén wrote:
>> Armin Waibel wrote:
>>> call me crazy, but I suggest to make a OJB 1.0.3 bug fix release as
>>> soon as possible.
>> Critical bug = release as fast as possible IMO.
>> I don't think we should call it 1.0.2sp1 or just replace the
>> binary 1.0.2 that was actually downloadable for a while (the last
>> one is a _horrible_ support-scenario). For me a service-pack,
>> patch-set, hotfix or similar is a small binary package you drop
>> "next to" the relase and not a full release-drop.
>> My suggestion is 1.0.2a or 1.0.3 with clear release notes
>> ("this is a bug fix release"?). Since OJB has no history of lettered
>> versioning, 1.0.3 seems more consistent.
>> Some other thoughts summarizing my view on recent release discussions
>> (given as hypothetical voting standpoints):
>> +1 for normal release-cycle on a, say, monthly basis
>> (I'm not picky with the exact cycle, 3-6 weeks is OK IMO.)
>> -1 for pushing site only on release (let's push it more often!)
>> -0 for holding off release beacuse of tutorial or site-changes
>> +1 for scheduled code-freeze or vote on binaries
>> Regards,
>> Martin
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Armin Waibel <ar...@apache.org>.
Hi Brian,
when will you start with the 1.0.3 release build?
I have one open issue (handling DCollection add/remove action).
Currently I'm working on that stuff and I wish to fix it today.
regards,
Armin
Martin Kalén wrote:
> Armin Waibel wrote:
>
>> call me crazy, but I suggest to make a OJB 1.0.3 bug fix release as
>> soon as possible.
>
>
> Critical bug = release as fast as possible IMO.
>
> I don't think we should call it 1.0.2sp1 or just replace the
> binary 1.0.2 that was actually downloadable for a while (the last
> one is a _horrible_ support-scenario). For me a service-pack,
> patch-set, hotfix or similar is a small binary package you drop
> "next to" the relase and not a full release-drop.
>
> My suggestion is 1.0.2a or 1.0.3 with clear release notes
> ("this is a bug fix release"?). Since OJB has no history of lettered
> versioning, 1.0.3 seems more consistent.
>
>
> Some other thoughts summarizing my view on recent release discussions
> (given as hypothetical voting standpoints):
>
> +1 for normal release-cycle on a, say, monthly basis
> (I'm not picky with the exact cycle, 3-6 weeks is OK IMO.)
>
> -1 for pushing site only on release (let's push it more often!)
>
> -0 for holding off release beacuse of tutorial or site-changes
>
> +1 for scheduled code-freeze or vote on binaries
>
> Regards,
> Martin
>
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Martin Kalén <mk...@apache.org>.
Armin Waibel wrote:
> call me crazy, but I suggest to make a OJB 1.0.3 bug fix release as soon
> as possible.
Critical bug = release as fast as possible IMO.
I don't think we should call it 1.0.2sp1 or just replace the
binary 1.0.2 that was actually downloadable for a while (the last
one is a _horrible_ support-scenario). For me a service-pack,
patch-set, hotfix or similar is a small binary package you drop
"next to" the relase and not a full release-drop.
My suggestion is 1.0.2a or 1.0.3 with clear release notes
("this is a bug fix release"?). Since OJB has no history of lettered
versioning, 1.0.3 seems more consistent.
Some other thoughts summarizing my view on recent release discussions
(given as hypothetical voting standpoints):
+1 for normal release-cycle on a, say, monthly basis
(I'm not picky with the exact cycle, 3-6 weeks is OK IMO.)
-1 for pushing site only on release (let's push it more often!)
-0 for holding off release beacuse of tutorial or site-changes
+1 for scheduled code-freeze or vote on binaries
Regards,
Martin
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@chariotsolutions.com>.
Critical bug fix == ASAP.
Can push it this weekend.
We can update tutorials anytime. Seriously, bug fix type releases can
be really really common, that is okay. I think that if we fix a bug, we
should push the release, immediately.
-Brian
On Mar 30, 2005, at 12:02 PM, Armin Waibel wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> call me crazy, but I suggest to make a OJB 1.0.3 bug fix release as
> soon as possible.
>
> I found a critical typo in OJB.properties file and a bug in the
> odmg-api implementation (jira OJB-7/-8). Both are fixed in
> OJB_1_0_RELEASE branch.
>
> In near future I will check in a refactored version of odmg's named
> object handling (will fix a undocumented bug).
>
> So a bug fix release is indicated.
> WDYT?
>
> regards,
> Armin
>
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by "Robert S. Sfeir" <ro...@codepuccino.com>.
>>
> what I'd like to avoid is that we release too often. This confuses
> users (I know, I would find it strange) and somehow looks like the
> product is not so stable.
Spring releases quite often, and that doesn't make me think it's
unstable. I don't think it will confuse users, it will show life in
the project. Monthly releases is something I suggested a while back
and was told it was not a good idea. This is also the reason why I
suggested iterations, or sprints, in which we add fixes and features
which have to be done within the sprint (30 days) at which point we
always have a stable product, and we can push out what we have.
This particular bug is nasty and should be pushed out, you can't rely
on users to get their own cvs version, and you can't put out
something that's busted.
R
Robert S. Sfeir
robert(at)codepuccinoNOSPAM.com
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Thomas Dudziak <to...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:39:38 -0500, Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> In X.Y.Z numbering, increments to Z are bug fixes. This is a bug fix =)
> Increments to Y are new features. Increments to X are
> non-backwards-compatible new features. That is my perspective.
Again, I beg to disagree :-) AFAIK the Z releases are bug fix releases
which are done when there are enough bug fixes to justify a new
release (think: critical mass). Don't get me wrong, if you think that
this single bug fix justifies a release, by all means, go ahead. But
what I'd like to avoid is that we release too often. This confuses
users (I know, I would find it strange) and somehow looks like the
product is not so stable.
E.g. spring releases Z versions every month or two, though not only
with bug fixes but also with added features. And spring 1.2 differs in
some incompatible ways from 1.1 AFAIK. Same goes e.g. for Struts.
Tom
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org>.
In X.Y.Z numbering, increments to Z are bug fixes. This is a bug fix =)
Increments to Y are new features. Increments to X are
non-backwards-compatible new features. That is my perspective.
In terms of releasing regularly -- I would agree for new-feature
releases (1.1 being next), but frankly bug fix releases should be made
ASAP. We *can* so we *should*.
-Brian
On Mar 30, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Thomas Dudziak wrote:
>> There is one critical typo bug in OJB.properties file:
>> # Enable disable cascading delete for 1:n references
>> cascadingDeleteOneToN=true
>>
>> instead of 'false'. This can cause really undesired behavior if you
>> delete objects (odmg-api only) with an 1:n relation when the
>> referenced
>> objects itself have a 1:n (all will be deleted).
>
> Ok, but why then call it 1.0.3 ? Unless I'm mistaken, there was no
> official announcement of the 1.0.2 yet, so why not replace the 1.0.2
> binaries. If truly necessary, lets call it 1.0.2a then.
>
> Tom
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Thomas Dudziak <to...@gmail.com>.
> There is one critical typo bug in OJB.properties file:
> # Enable disable cascading delete for 1:n references
> cascadingDeleteOneToN=true
>
> instead of 'false'. This can cause really undesired behavior if you
> delete objects (odmg-api only) with an 1:n relation when the referenced
> objects itself have a 1:n (all will be deleted).
Ok, but why then call it 1.0.3 ? Unless I'm mistaken, there was no
official announcement of the 1.0.2 yet, so why not replace the 1.0.2
binaries. If truly necessary, lets call it 1.0.2a then.
Tom
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Jakob Braeuchi <jb...@gmx.ch>.
hi all,
if this one is critical, then we have to do another release asap :(
otherwise i'd like to have a release every one or two month.
jakob
Armin Waibel schrieb:
> Thomas Dudziak wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:20:22 -0500, Brian McCallister
>> <br...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Critical bug fix == ASAP.
>>>
>>> Can push it this weekend.
>>>
>>> We can update tutorials anytime. Seriously, bug fix type releases can
>>> be really really common, that is okay. I think that if we fix a bug, we
>>> should push the release, immediately.
>>
>>
>>
>> I beg to disagree. IMO we should establish a release schedule of, say,
>> every month or so, to allow users to actually update to the new
>> version. The changes in between then would be few enough to handle
>> issues during the update easily.
>>
>
> There is one critical typo bug in OJB.properties file:
> # Enable disable cascading delete for 1:n references
> cascadingDeleteOneToN=true
>
> instead of 'false'. This can cause really undesired behavior if you
> delete objects (odmg-api only) with an 1:n relation when the referenced
> objects itself have a 1:n (all will be deleted).
>
> Armin
>
>
>> Tom
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Armin Waibel <ar...@apache.org>.
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:20:22 -0500, Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Critical bug fix == ASAP.
>>
>>Can push it this weekend.
>>
>>We can update tutorials anytime. Seriously, bug fix type releases can
>>be really really common, that is okay. I think that if we fix a bug, we
>>should push the release, immediately.
>
>
> I beg to disagree. IMO we should establish a release schedule of, say,
> every month or so, to allow users to actually update to the new
> version. The changes in between then would be few enough to handle
> issues during the update easily.
>
There is one critical typo bug in OJB.properties file:
# Enable disable cascading delete for 1:n references
cascadingDeleteOneToN=true
instead of 'false'. This can cause really undesired behavior if you
delete objects (odmg-api only) with an 1:n relation when the referenced
objects itself have a 1:n (all will be deleted).
Armin
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Thomas Dudziak <to...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 13:20:22 -0500, Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org> wrote:
> Critical bug fix == ASAP.
>
> Can push it this weekend.
>
> We can update tutorials anytime. Seriously, bug fix type releases can
> be really really common, that is okay. I think that if we fix a bug, we
> should push the release, immediately.
I beg to disagree. IMO we should establish a release schedule of, say,
every month or so, to allow users to actually update to the new
version. The changes in between then would be few enough to handle
issues during the update easily.
Tom
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Brian McCallister <br...@apache.org>.
Critical bug fix == ASAP.
Can push it this weekend.
We can update tutorials anytime. Seriously, bug fix type releases can
be really really common, that is okay. I think that if we fix a bug, we
should push the release, immediately.
-Brian
On Mar 30, 2005, at 12:02 PM, Armin Waibel wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> call me crazy, but I suggest to make a OJB 1.0.3 bug fix release as
> soon as possible.
>
> I found a critical typo in OJB.properties file and a bug in the
> odmg-api implementation (jira OJB-7/-8). Both are fixed in
> OJB_1_0_RELEASE branch.
>
> In near future I will check in a refactored version of odmg's named
> object handling (will fix a undocumented bug).
>
> So a bug fix release is indicated.
> WDYT?
>
> regards,
> Armin
>
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Armin Waibel <ar...@apache.org>.
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
>>So a first pre-release may possible in 4 weeks.
>>What's the status of the new metadata classes?
>
>
> I'm in the process of migrating to betwixt/digester for repository.xml
> I/O, a replacement version (same functionality as exists now, but with
> betwixt) should be doable within in 4 weeks (perhaps with the
> inclusion of the PC ?).
>
Think that the new "PersistenceConfiguration"-feature have to be
included in the pre-release, because it's the major feature of 1.1. So
if we need more time to make it work I would suggest to postpone the
pre-release.
Armin
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Thomas Dudziak <to...@gmail.com>.
> So a first pre-release may possible in 4 weeks.
> What's the status of the new metadata classes?
I'm in the process of migrating to betwixt/digester for repository.xml
I/O, a replacement version (same functionality as exists now, but with
betwixt) should be doable within in 4 weeks (perhaps with the
inclusion of the PC ?).
Tom
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Armin Waibel <ar...@apache.org>.
Thomas Dudziak wrote:
>>another crazy idea:
>>
>>make a prerelease for ojb 1.1
>
>
> +1, though please let's replace Torque with the first version of
> DdlUtils (with a bit of luck the migration should be finished this
> week).
>
I have to merge millions of files from 1.0.x branch to trunk. Will start
with this when the 1.0.x odmg-api implementation refactoring is finished.
So a first pre-release may possible in 4 weeks.
What's the status of the new metadata classes?
regards,
Armin
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Thomas Dudziak <to...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:09:16 +0200, Jakob Braeuchi <jb...@gmx.ch> wrote:
> hi armin,
>
> Armin Waibel schrieb:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > call me crazy, but I suggest to make a OJB 1.0.3 bug fix release as soon
> > as possible.
>
> within a week or a month ?
a month please, I'd like to finish and include the new tutorials.
> > I found a critical typo in OJB.properties file and a bug in the odmg-api
> > implementation (jira OJB-7/-8). Both are fixed in OJB_1_0_RELEASE branch.
> >
> > In near future I will check in a refactored version of odmg's named
> > object handling (will fix a undocumented bug).
> >
> > So a bug fix release is indicated.
> > WDYT?
>
> another crazy idea:
>
> make a prerelease for ojb 1.1
+1, though please let's replace Torque with the first version of
DdlUtils (with a bit of luck the migration should be finished this
week).
Tom
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Re: Release date for OJB 1.0.3 - a bug fix release
Posted by Jakob Braeuchi <jb...@gmx.ch>.
hi armin,
Armin Waibel schrieb:
> Hi all,
>
> call me crazy, but I suggest to make a OJB 1.0.3 bug fix release as soon
> as possible.
within a week or a month ?
>
> I found a critical typo in OJB.properties file and a bug in the odmg-api
> implementation (jira OJB-7/-8). Both are fixed in OJB_1_0_RELEASE branch.
>
> In near future I will check in a refactored version of odmg's named
> object handling (will fix a undocumented bug).
>
> So a bug fix release is indicated.
> WDYT?
another crazy idea:
make a prerelease for ojb 1.1
jakob
>
> regards,
> Armin
>
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