FW: Shale for 2.x? (was Re: RoadMap)

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@matthias-wessendorf.de>]

FYI.

Don't know how much of you looked into
Shale. I read the proposal and now I am
waiting on the announce *input* this/next
week. After that I will give it a try.

Just my 2 cents ...

Regards,
Matthias

-----Original Message-----
From: Ted Husted [mailto:husted@apache.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:45 PM
To: Struts Developers List
Subject: Shale for 2.x? (was Re: RoadMap)


Objectively, I think that Shale would be a better fit for Apache
MyFaces. 

Back in the day, it might have been better if we had placed most of our
taglibs with Jakarta Taglibs, rather than keep them all here. I think
this is the same sort of thing. 

Since I'm not doing the work, I can't make the decision, but I think it
would be nice if a serious proposal were made to Apache MyFaces before
launching Shale from here. 

Shale has been mentioned on the MyFaces lists a couple of times, but no
one has asked the question "Do we want to host Shale here at Apache
MyFaces?". 

Apache MyFaces already has generic JSF components, and Shale fits in
that venue. They also have a very strong JSF community that can
appreciate, support, and enhance Shale.

Eventually, if everyone migrates to Shale, and the Struts community
withers away, then so be it. 

Let Darwin decide.

-Ted.

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:50:42 -0800, Craig McClanahan wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:21:24 -0500, Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Is there anything someone would like put differently?
>>
>
> I'm somewhat curious when the Struts committers might be willing to
> make a conscious choice for a Struts 2.x architecture.
>
> While I'm personally going to continue to support the 1.3.x changes
> for evolution of existing apps, and use of the Struts-Faces
> integration library with it, I believe that Struts will become
> gradually less relevant for new application development unless it
> adopts JSF strongly; and it would be a shame to have to *compete*
> with Struts instead of *being* Struts.
>
>> -Ted.
>>
> Craig
>
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RE: FW: Shale for 2.x? (was Re: RoadMap)

[Matthias Wessendorf <ma...@matthias-wessendorf.de>]

> Yes, i have looked into Shale and plan to use it. Its 
> proposal clearly 
> spells out the value-adds for web-based application.

Ah... yes, I read your name some time ago 
on a Shale disscussion... :-)

Regards,
Matthias

> Regards
> 
> BaTien
> DBGROUPS
> 
> >Regards,
> >Matthias
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ted Husted [mailto:husted@apache.org]
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:45 PM
> >To: Struts Developers List
> >Subject: Shale for 2.x? (was Re: RoadMap)
> >
> >
> >Objectively, I think that Shale would be a better fit for Apache 
> >MyFaces.
> >
> >Back in the day, it might have been better if we had placed 
> most of our 
> >taglibs with Jakarta Taglibs, rather than keep them all 
> here. I think 
> >this is the same sort of thing.
> >
> >Since I'm not doing the work, I can't make the decision, but 
> I think it 
> >would be nice if a serious proposal were made to Apache 
> MyFaces before 
> >launching Shale from here.
> >
> >Shale has been mentioned on the MyFaces lists a couple of 
> times, but no 
> >one has asked the question "Do we want to host Shale here at Apache 
> >MyFaces?".
> >
> >Apache MyFaces already has generic JSF components, and Shale fits in 
> >that venue. They also have a very strong JSF community that can 
> >appreciate, support, and enhance Shale.
> >
> >Eventually, if everyone migrates to Shale, and the Struts community 
> >withers away, then so be it.
> >
> >Let Darwin decide.
> >
> >-Ted.
> >
> >On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:50:42 -0800, Craig McClanahan wrote:
> >  
> >
> >> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:21:24 -0500, Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>> Is there anything someone would like put differently?
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >> I'm somewhat curious when the Struts committers might be 
> willing to 
> >> make a conscious choice for a Struts 2.x architecture.
> >>
> >> While I'm personally going to continue to support the 
> 1.3.x changes 
> >> for evolution of existing apps, and use of the Struts-Faces 
> >> integration library with it, I believe that Struts will become 
> >> gradually less relevant for new application development unless it 
> >> adopts JSF strongly; and it would be a shame to have to *compete* 
> >> with Struts instead of *being* Struts.
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>> -Ted.
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >> Craig
> >>
> >> 
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Re: FW: Shale for 2.x? (was Re: RoadMap)

[BaTien Duong <ba...@dbgroups.com>]

Matthias Wessendorf wrote:

>FYI.
>
>Don't know how much of you looked into
>Shale. I read the proposal and now I am
>waiting on the announce *input* this/next
>week. After that I will give it a try.
>
>Just my 2 cents ...
>
>  
>
Yes, i have looked into Shale and plan to use it. Its proposal clearly 
spells out the value-adds for web-based application.

Regards

BaTien
DBGROUPS

>Regards,
>Matthias
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ted Husted [mailto:husted@apache.org] 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:45 PM
>To: Struts Developers List
>Subject: Shale for 2.x? (was Re: RoadMap)
>
>
>Objectively, I think that Shale would be a better fit for Apache
>MyFaces. 
>
>Back in the day, it might have been better if we had placed most of our
>taglibs with Jakarta Taglibs, rather than keep them all here. I think
>this is the same sort of thing. 
>
>Since I'm not doing the work, I can't make the decision, but I think it
>would be nice if a serious proposal were made to Apache MyFaces before
>launching Shale from here. 
>
>Shale has been mentioned on the MyFaces lists a couple of times, but no
>one has asked the question "Do we want to host Shale here at Apache
>MyFaces?". 
>
>Apache MyFaces already has generic JSF components, and Shale fits in
>that venue. They also have a very strong JSF community that can
>appreciate, support, and enhance Shale.
>
>Eventually, if everyone migrates to Shale, and the Struts community
>withers away, then so be it. 
>
>Let Darwin decide.
>
>-Ted.
>
>On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:50:42 -0800, Craig McClanahan wrote:
>  
>
>> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:21:24 -0500, Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>> Is there anything someone would like put differently?
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> I'm somewhat curious when the Struts committers might be willing to
>> make a conscious choice for a Struts 2.x architecture.
>>
>> While I'm personally going to continue to support the 1.3.x changes
>> for evolution of existing apps, and use of the Struts-Faces
>> integration library with it, I believe that Struts will become
>> gradually less relevant for new application development unless it
>> adopts JSF strongly; and it would be a shame to have to *compete*
>> with Struts instead of *being* Struts.
>>
>>    
>>
>>> -Ted.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>> Craig
>>
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