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Posted to dev@roller.apache.org by shelan Perera <sh...@gmail.com> on 2011/04/13 06:27:20 UTC
Roller Mobile editing interface for bloggers [Proposal]
Hi Devs,
I have been researching on the mobile browser detection and got followings
as the possible options.
1) Using the "User Agent" in the cookies and then match with the available
mobile devices in the database (We need to have the known popular mobile
user agents in the database.) or this may be a regex match with
possible occurring string patterns in mobile devices.
I studied how this has been implemented in wordpress and Joomla , They have
used almost identical scripts with RegEx matches.So this option is widely
used in the practice.
I looked at the code of popular wordpress plugins mobile press[1] and
WP-mobile detector[2] and how it is handled in Joomla templates [3].
2) Next option is to use a web service so we are bit off from the headache
of updating the Mobile Browser agent data base or list.But need to evaluate
the reliability in long term.
In most of the implementations they use Desktop as default (unless cookie is
set not to) and then switch to mobile if proven by detection it is a
mobile device.
So far the option 1 has been promising and major devices are covered.But may
need to update if new mobile user agents are added to the mobile world.
[1]http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/mobilepress/
[2]http://websitez.com/wordpress-mobile/?cl=adm
[3]http://pastebin.com/ZGUjLjYw
Thanks,
Regards,
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, shelan Perera <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Devs,
> > I was looking at the existing way of implementing new templates.Most of
> the
> > current implementation is focused on adding a new template to display the
> > articles and blog content (And also weblog related
> > data.)using velocity scripts. It does not provide the ability to change
> the
> > content editor interface.( Which includes adding new post , bookmark
> etc.)
> > As i understood the current implementation is
> /roller-ui/authoring/editors.
> > So i would like to know about the reusablilty of that for the HTML5
> content
> > editor.Specially an API which i can access through HTML5 as it is used
> with
> > velocity scripts in the standard template implementation.Is the current
> > implementation support for a custom editor to reuse?
> > Thanks.
>
> True, you cannot change the Roller editor via Velocity scripts.
>
> There are two parts to Roller's UI:
>
> 1) Blog Editor and Admin UI - this is located at /roller-ui and is
> implemented using Struts2 actions and JSP pages with the Struts2 tags.
>
> 2) Weblog Pages and Feeds - this is implemented as a Request Mapper, a
> set of Servlets, Velocity templates, and infrastructure for running
> Velocity templates.
>
> To implement a mobile-friendly Blog Editor and Admin UI, you'll want to:
> a) decide on the right subset of Roller features to make available.
> You don't have time to rewrite the whole UI, so pick the most
> important parts. That probably means posting/editing blogs and,
> possibly uploading photos.
> b) decide how to implement the Blog Editor and Admin UI. How does a
> user get to the mobile interface, e.g. a special URL, perhaps? How
> should the interface be implemented, e.g. Struts2 on server-side plus
> Dojo on client side?
>
> To implement a mobile-friendly themes for the Blog/Pages part of the
> Roller, you'll want to decide when to show mobile version of a blog
> page, e.g. use HTTP User Agent to determine if request comes from
> mobile device. Might also want to allow user to opt for "full version"
> of a blog, and save their preference in a cookie.
>
> You also want to decide how a theme knows to provide mobile content.
> One way to do this would be to add a method to one of the theme
> objects to tell the theme that it is mobile. Each theme page could
> then include logic to show the right content. Another, possibly better
> way, would be to allow a theme to specify not only Weblog, Entry,
> Search Index and TagsIndex pages, but also Mobile-Weblog,
> Mobile-Entry, Mobile-Search-Index and etc.
>
> After writing all that, I think both Editor/Admin UI and Blog/Feeds
> theme this might be too much work for one GSOC project. You might want
> to focus on either Blog/Editor UI or Blog/Feed pages. I'd recommend
> Blog/Feed themes. I think its more important for Roller to be able to
> show blogs to readers on mobile devices than it is to enable Roller
> authors to write on mobile devices.
>
> To put tother a proposal, you'll have to study how the RequestMapper
> and associated Servlets work now to present a weblog via its theme and
> proposed how to enable a blog to have a theme that shows full sized
> pages for regular browsers and alternative pages for small devices.
>
> Hope that helps...
>
> - Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:12 PM, shelan Perera <sh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >> Sorry for being late in responding and i am back after my university
> >> exams.:)
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The problem, I believe, is that Roller does provide a way for a theme
> >>> to detect that a request is coming from a mobile device and offer
> >>> small format pages. There are probably a variety of ways to address
> >>> this.
> >>>
> >>> One way, for example, would be to allow a theme to offer small format
> >>> pages for the key theme "action" pages of Weblog, Entry, Day, Search
> >>> Index and Tags Index. Roller's request mapper would detect that a
> >>> theme comes from a small device and would call those pages instead of
> >>> the built in pages.
> >>>
> >>> Another way would be to give themes a way to detect a mobile device
> >>> and a way to forward to mobile theme pages. If a theme can detect that
> >>> the request comes from a mobile device, it could use logic inside
> >>> pages to change the appearance of the theme.
> >>>
> >>> I think I like the first idea better. What do others think? What's the
> >>> best way to handle mobile themes? Maybe we should look at Wordpress
> >>> and Drupal to see how they handle this.
> >>>
> >>> Either way, it would be nice to offer users a way to opt for the
> >>> mobile or non-mobile theme. Sometimes users on mobile devices like to
> >>> use the full-size theme.
> >>
> >> I also agree with the option to let the user to choose the template.We
> >> need to check two things before we switch.
> >> 1)Is it a mobile browser agent 2)Is that browser html5 ready? (at least
> >> for the moment since some of the browsers does not provide full
> >> functionalities of html5.)
> >> In wordpress there are plugins which assist the task such as
> >> mobipress[1].In Joomla most of the template providers target IPhone and
> Ipod
> >> and offer a feature to admin so template render accordingly. Another
> thing i
> >> have seen on some mobile browsers is ,we can give the browser agent mode
> >> (Desktop / Mobile).So when mobile user agent is enabled at the browser
> >> option level it first check whether there is a mobile version available
> for
> >> the requested site.If so it will pick that.
> >> In roller there is a way to add templates.What would be the possible
> >> changes to the way it was done before.I feel that there is a requirement
> of
> >> a separate rendering module for this.But i will more in the code and try
> to
> >> understand how it behaves etc.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> [1] http://mobilepress.co.za/
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> - Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > In the mobile editing interface using html5 would be create , edit
> >>> > drafts
> >>> > and posts would be implemented and would be designed for convenient
> >>> > experience.I have some understanding that it should be optimized for
> >>> > user
> >>> > interactions with touch input.
> >>> >
> >>> > HTML has capabilities such as,
> >>> >
> >>> > Client side database , Application cache, Geo Location etc, Most of
> the
> >>> > features leverage its capability of offline features which could
> >>> > be beneficial vastly in Roller like blogger applications where users
> >>> > tend to
> >>> > read , edit content.
> >>> >
> >>> > I would like to get some help , feedbacks and suggestions from the
> >>> > community
> >>> > to nourish the idea and make it more useful for roller.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thank you
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Shelan Perera
> >>> >
> >>> > Home: http://www.shelan.org
> >>> > Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
> >>> > Twitter: shelan
> >>> > skype :shelan.perera
> >>> > gtalk :shelanrc
> >>> >
> >>> > I am the master of my fate:
> >>> > I am the captain of my soul.
> >>> > *invictus*
> >>> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Shelan Perera
> >> Home: http://www.shelan.org
> >> Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
> >> Twitter: shelan
> >> skype :shelan.perera
> >> gtalk :shelanrc
> >>
> >> I am the master of my fate:
> >> I am the captain of my soul.
> >> *invictus*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Shelan Perera
> > Home: http://www.shelan.org
> > Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
> > Twitter: shelan
> > skype :shelan.perera
> > gtalk :shelanrc
> >
> > I am the master of my fate:
> > I am the captain of my soul.
> > *invictus*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
--
Shelan Perera
Home: http://www.shelan.org
Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
Twitter: shelan
skype :shelan.perera
gtalk :shelanrc
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
*invictus*
--
Shelan Perera
Home: http://www.shelan.org
Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
Twitter: shelan
skype :shelan.perera
gtalk :shelanrc
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
*invictus*
RE: Roller Mobile editing interface for bloggers [Proposal]
Posted by Nicolas Muller <n....@nouvellemarque.com>.
Hello,
I am working too about a mobile website with roller. These are my ideas !
1) Create a group of news pages dedicated for mobile into an existing blog.
It is powerful roller function to be able to create pages (drupal can do it,
wordpress not). Associated these pages with a new domain (m.mydomain.com for
example).
You could do create a new blog and display information through planet. It is
possible but a little hard to do
2) Use DetectMobileBrowser.com from this tutorial to switch from your normal
site to the mobile one.
http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/mobile-web-apps/mobile-browser-detectio
n/
3) USE JQUERY MOBILE :) Forget other libraries.
It is easy easy in one hour with doc to have a blog running with mobile
templates thank to jqueymobile
Nota bene : A major point will be to have a way to detect mobile from vm
template.
In order to reduce page weight. "Display:none" with css is not good for
mobile design.
It is not necessary to load hidden data. User experience is wrong with it.
Another idea would be to add this info into theme.xml
I will publish a code source to have this information into vm template. I
have to do it
-----Message d'origine-----
De : shelan Perera [mailto:shelanrc@gmail.com]
Envoyé : mercredi 13 avril 2011 06:27
À : dev@roller.apache.org
Objet : Roller Mobile editing interface for bloggers [Proposal]
Hi Devs,
I have been researching on the mobile browser detection and got followings
as the possible options.
1) Using the "User Agent" in the cookies and then match with the available
mobile devices in the database (We need to have the known popular mobile
user agents in the database.) or this may be a regex match with
possible occurring string patterns in mobile devices.
I studied how this has been implemented in wordpress and Joomla , They have
used almost identical scripts with RegEx matches.So this option is widely
used in the practice.
I looked at the code of popular wordpress plugins mobile press[1] and
WP-mobile detector[2] and how it is handled in Joomla templates [3].
2) Next option is to use a web service so we are bit off from the headache
of updating the Mobile Browser agent data base or list.But need to evaluate
the reliability in long term.
In most of the implementations they use Desktop as default (unless cookie is
set not to) and then switch to mobile if proven by detection it is a
mobile device.
So far the option 1 has been promising and major devices are covered.But may
need to update if new mobile user agents are added to the mobile world.
[1]http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/mobilepress/
[2]http://websitez.com/wordpress-mobile/?cl=adm
[3]http://pastebin.com/ZGUjLjYw
Thanks,
Regards,
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, shelan Perera <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Devs,
> > I was looking at the existing way of implementing new templates.Most of
> the
> > current implementation is focused on adding a new template to display
the
> > articles and blog content (And also weblog related
> > data.)using velocity scripts. It does not provide the ability to change
> the
> > content editor interface.( Which includes adding new post , bookmark
> etc.)
> > As i understood the current implementation is
> /roller-ui/authoring/editors.
> > So i would like to know about the reusablilty of that for the HTML5
> content
> > editor.Specially an API which i can access through HTML5 as it is used
> with
> > velocity scripts in the standard template implementation.Is the current
> > implementation support for a custom editor to reuse?
> > Thanks.
>
> True, you cannot change the Roller editor via Velocity scripts.
>
> There are two parts to Roller's UI:
>
> 1) Blog Editor and Admin UI - this is located at /roller-ui and is
> implemented using Struts2 actions and JSP pages with the Struts2 tags.
>
> 2) Weblog Pages and Feeds - this is implemented as a Request Mapper, a
> set of Servlets, Velocity templates, and infrastructure for running
> Velocity templates.
>
> To implement a mobile-friendly Blog Editor and Admin UI, you'll want to:
> a) decide on the right subset of Roller features to make available.
> You don't have time to rewrite the whole UI, so pick the most
> important parts. That probably means posting/editing blogs and,
> possibly uploading photos.
> b) decide how to implement the Blog Editor and Admin UI. How does a
> user get to the mobile interface, e.g. a special URL, perhaps? How
> should the interface be implemented, e.g. Struts2 on server-side plus
> Dojo on client side?
>
> To implement a mobile-friendly themes for the Blog/Pages part of the
> Roller, you'll want to decide when to show mobile version of a blog
> page, e.g. use HTTP User Agent to determine if request comes from
> mobile device. Might also want to allow user to opt for "full version"
> of a blog, and save their preference in a cookie.
>
> You also want to decide how a theme knows to provide mobile content.
> One way to do this would be to add a method to one of the theme
> objects to tell the theme that it is mobile. Each theme page could
> then include logic to show the right content. Another, possibly better
> way, would be to allow a theme to specify not only Weblog, Entry,
> Search Index and TagsIndex pages, but also Mobile-Weblog,
> Mobile-Entry, Mobile-Search-Index and etc.
>
> After writing all that, I think both Editor/Admin UI and Blog/Feeds
> theme this might be too much work for one GSOC project. You might want
> to focus on either Blog/Editor UI or Blog/Feed pages. I'd recommend
> Blog/Feed themes. I think its more important for Roller to be able to
> show blogs to readers on mobile devices than it is to enable Roller
> authors to write on mobile devices.
>
> To put tother a proposal, you'll have to study how the RequestMapper
> and associated Servlets work now to present a weblog via its theme and
> proposed how to enable a blog to have a theme that shows full sized
> pages for regular browsers and alternative pages for small devices.
>
> Hope that helps...
>
> - Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:12 PM, shelan Perera <sh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >> Sorry for being late in responding and i am back after my university
> >> exams.:)
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The problem, I believe, is that Roller does provide a way for a theme
> >>> to detect that a request is coming from a mobile device and offer
> >>> small format pages. There are probably a variety of ways to address
> >>> this.
> >>>
> >>> One way, for example, would be to allow a theme to offer small format
> >>> pages for the key theme "action" pages of Weblog, Entry, Day, Search
> >>> Index and Tags Index. Roller's request mapper would detect that a
> >>> theme comes from a small device and would call those pages instead of
> >>> the built in pages.
> >>>
> >>> Another way would be to give themes a way to detect a mobile device
> >>> and a way to forward to mobile theme pages. If a theme can detect that
> >>> the request comes from a mobile device, it could use logic inside
> >>> pages to change the appearance of the theme.
> >>>
> >>> I think I like the first idea better. What do others think? What's the
> >>> best way to handle mobile themes? Maybe we should look at Wordpress
> >>> and Drupal to see how they handle this.
> >>>
> >>> Either way, it would be nice to offer users a way to opt for the
> >>> mobile or non-mobile theme. Sometimes users on mobile devices like to
> >>> use the full-size theme.
> >>
> >> I also agree with the option to let the user to choose the template.We
> >> need to check two things before we switch.
> >> 1)Is it a mobile browser agent 2)Is that browser html5 ready? (at least
> >> for the moment since some of the browsers does not provide full
> >> functionalities of html5.)
> >> In wordpress there are plugins which assist the task such as
> >> mobipress[1].In Joomla most of the template providers target IPhone and
> Ipod
> >> and offer a feature to admin so template render accordingly. Another
> thing i
> >> have seen on some mobile browsers is ,we can give the browser agent
mode
> >> (Desktop / Mobile).So when mobile user agent is enabled at the browser
> >> option level it first check whether there is a mobile version available
> for
> >> the requested site.If so it will pick that.
> >> In roller there is a way to add templates.What would be the possible
> >> changes to the way it was done before.I feel that there is a
requirement
> of
> >> a separate rendering module for this.But i will more in the code and
try
> to
> >> understand how it behaves etc.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> [1] http://mobilepress.co.za/
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> - Dave
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > In the mobile editing interface using html5 would be create , edit
> >>> > drafts
> >>> > and posts would be implemented and would be designed for convenient
> >>> > experience.I have some understanding that it should be optimized for
> >>> > user
> >>> > interactions with touch input.
> >>> >
> >>> > HTML has capabilities such as,
> >>> >
> >>> > Client side database , Application cache, Geo Location etc, Most of
> the
> >>> > features leverage its capability of offline features which could
> >>> > be beneficial vastly in Roller like blogger applications where users
> >>> > tend to
> >>> > read , edit content.
> >>> >
> >>> > I would like to get some help , feedbacks and suggestions from the
> >>> > community
> >>> > to nourish the idea and make it more useful for roller.
> >>> >
> >>> > Thank you
> >>> >
> >>> > --
> >>> > Shelan Perera
> >>> >
> >>> > Home: http://www.shelan.org
> >>> > Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
> >>> > Twitter: shelan
> >>> > skype :shelan.perera
> >>> > gtalk :shelanrc
> >>> >
> >>> > I am the master of my fate:
> >>> > I am the captain of my soul.
> >>> > *invictus*
> >>> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Shelan Perera
> >> Home: http://www.shelan.org
> >> Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
> >> Twitter: shelan
> >> skype :shelan.perera
> >> gtalk :shelanrc
> >>
> >> I am the master of my fate:
> >> I am the captain of my soul.
> >> *invictus*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Shelan Perera
> > Home: http://www.shelan.org
> > Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
> > Twitter: shelan
> > skype :shelan.perera
> > gtalk :shelanrc
> >
> > I am the master of my fate:
> > I am the captain of my soul.
> > *invictus*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
--
Shelan Perera
Home: http://www.shelan.org
Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
Twitter: shelan
skype :shelan.perera
gtalk :shelanrc
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
*invictus*
--
Shelan Perera
Home: http://www.shelan.org
Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
Twitter: shelan
skype :shelan.perera
gtalk :shelanrc
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
*invictus*
Re: Roller Mobile editing interface for bloggers [Proposal]
Posted by Dave <sn...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 11:11 AM, shelan Perera <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Nicolas Muller <n.muller@nouvellemarque.com
>> I am working too about a mobile website with roller. These are my ideas!
>>
>> 1) Create a group of news pages dedicated for mobile into an existing blog.
>> It is powerful roller function to be able to create pages (drupal can do it,
>> wordpress not). Associated these pages with a new domain (m.mydomain.comfor
>> example). You could do create a new blog and display information through planet. It
>> is possible but a little hard to do
Interesting idea. Do I understand you correctly? Instead of creating a
mobile theme for each blog, you propose to create an aggregation of
all blogs on the site using Roller's built-in planet aggregator?
That is not a bad idea, but I would still like to see Roller have the
ability to provide a separate mobile theme for each blog.
>> 2) Use DetectMobileBrowser.com from this tutorial to switch from your
>> normal site to the mobile one.
That appears to be a client-side technology, useful for directing a
web browser to the mobile version of a weblog. It's available for use
under public domain license, so we could consider using it in Roller.
>> 3) USE JQUERY MOBILE :) Forget other libraries.
>> It is easy easy in one hour with doc to have a blog running with mobile
>> templates thank to jqueymobile
JQuery does rock, but I'd like theme authors to be able to use
whatever JavaScript libraries they want -- and not be forced to use
JQuery. However, I believe Shelan plans to create at least one mobile
theme for Roller and be could choose to use JQuery.
>> Nota bene : A major point will be to have a way to detect mobile from vm
>> template.
>> In order to reduce page weight. "Display:none" with css is not good for
>> mobile design.
>> It is not necessary to load hidden data. User experience is wrong with it.
>> Another idea would be to add this info into theme.xml
>>
>> I will publish a code source to have this information into vm template. I
>> have to do it
Yes, I agree. We want templates to be able to detect need for mobile
pages, on the server side, and that is different from what
DetectMobileBrowser.com because it works on the client side.
> Thanks for the ideas and feedback.After a bit of searching i am trying to
> use WURLF[1] to assist in mobile detection.There are two things which become
> handy in using this.
>
> 1) Identifying the device
>
> 2) Identifying the device capability.
>
> At present i am evaluating its reliability and functionalities.I thinkat the
> filtering stage we can get the user request and let the WURLF to parse it
> and get the device.(As convenient as wurfl.getDeviceForRequest(request)).So
> we can decide the rendering after that according to user preference.( Unless
> user preferred a desktop or full theme always.)
>
> I think we can fine tune it more since WURLF can give the device
> capabilities.So it we may have to scale down the rendering for some devices
> which do not have some requirements.
>
> [1]http://wurfl.sourceforge.net/
Unfortunately, WURFL is released under a GPL license and Apache
projects are not allowed [1] to depend on or ship GPL code. I'm not
sure we need something as powerful as WURLF... how much do we need to
know about the device?
- Dave
[1] http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#category-x
Re: Roller Mobile editing interface for bloggers [Proposal]
Posted by shelan Perera <sh...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Nicolas Muller <n.muller@nouvellemarque.com
> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am working too about a mobile website with roller. These are my ideas !
>
> 1) Create a group of news pages dedicated for mobile into an existing blog.
> It is powerful roller function to be able to create pages (drupal can do
> it,
> wordpress not). Associated these pages with a new domain (m.mydomain.comfor
> example).
> You could do create a new blog and display information through planet. It
> is
> possible but a little hard to do
>
> 2) Use DetectMobileBrowser.com from this tutorial to switch from your
> normal
> site to the mobile one.
>
> http://mobile.tutsplus.com/tutorials/mobile-web-apps/mobile-browser-detectio
> n/
>
> 3) USE JQUERY MOBILE :) Forget other libraries.
> It is easy easy in one hour with doc to have a blog running with mobile
> templates thank to jqueymobile
>
> Nota bene : A major point will be to have a way to detect mobile from vm
> template.
> In order to reduce page weight. "Display:none" with css is not good for
> mobile design.
> It is not necessary to load hidden data. User experience is wrong with it.
> Another idea would be to add this info into theme.xml
>
> I will publish a code source to have this information into vm template. I
> have to do it
>
Thanks for the ideas and feedback.After a bit of searching i am trying to
use WURLF[1] to assist in mobile detection.There are two things which become
handy in using this.
1) Identifying the device
2) Identifying the device capability.
At present i am evaluating its reliability and functionalities.I thinkat the
filtering stage we can get the user request and let the WURLF to parse it
and get the device.(As convenient as wurfl.getDeviceForRequest(request)).So
we can decide the rendering after that according to user preference.( Unless
user preferred a desktop or full theme always.)
I think we can fine tune it more since WURLF can give the device
capabilities.So it we may have to scale down the rendering for some devices
which do not have some requirements.
[1]http://wurfl.sourceforge.net/
Thanks.
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : shelan Perera [mailto:shelanrc@gmail.com]
> Envoyé : mercredi 13 avril 2011 06:27
> À : dev@roller.apache.org
> Objet : Roller Mobile editing interface for bloggers [Proposal]
>
> Hi Devs,
>
> I have been researching on the mobile browser detection and got followings
> as the possible options.
>
> 1) Using the "User Agent" in the cookies and then match with the available
> mobile devices in the database (We need to have the known popular mobile
> user agents in the database.) or this may be a regex match with
> possible occurring string patterns in mobile devices.
>
> I studied how this has been implemented in wordpress and Joomla , They have
> used almost identical scripts with RegEx matches.So this option is widely
> used in the practice.
>
> I looked at the code of popular wordpress plugins mobile press[1] and
> WP-mobile detector[2] and how it is handled in Joomla templates [3].
>
>
> 2) Next option is to use a web service so we are bit off from the headache
> of updating the Mobile Browser agent data base or list.But need to evaluate
> the reliability in long term.
>
> In most of the implementations they use Desktop as default (unless cookie
> is
> set not to) and then switch to mobile if proven by detection it is a
> mobile device.
>
> So far the option 1 has been promising and major devices are covered.But
> may
> need to update if new mobile user agents are added to the mobile world.
>
> [1]http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/mobilepress/
> [2]http://websitez.com/wordpress-mobile/?cl=adm
> [3]http://pastebin.com/ZGUjLjYw
>
> Thanks,
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:44 AM, Dave <sn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 7:24 AM, shelan Perera <sh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Hi Devs,
> > > I was looking at the existing way of implementing new templates.Most of
> > the
> > > current implementation is focused on adding a new template to display
> the
> > > articles and blog content (And also weblog related
> > > data.)using velocity scripts. It does not provide the ability to change
> > the
> > > content editor interface.( Which includes adding new post , bookmark
> > etc.)
> > > As i understood the current implementation is
> > /roller-ui/authoring/editors.
> > > So i would like to know about the reusablilty of that for the HTML5
> > content
> > > editor.Specially an API which i can access through HTML5 as it is used
> > with
> > > velocity scripts in the standard template implementation.Is the current
> > > implementation support for a custom editor to reuse?
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > True, you cannot change the Roller editor via Velocity scripts.
> >
> > There are two parts to Roller's UI:
> >
> > 1) Blog Editor and Admin UI - this is located at /roller-ui and is
> > implemented using Struts2 actions and JSP pages with the Struts2 tags.
> >
> > 2) Weblog Pages and Feeds - this is implemented as a Request Mapper, a
> > set of Servlets, Velocity templates, and infrastructure for running
> > Velocity templates.
> >
> > To implement a mobile-friendly Blog Editor and Admin UI, you'll want to:
> > a) decide on the right subset of Roller features to make available.
> > You don't have time to rewrite the whole UI, so pick the most
> > important parts. That probably means posting/editing blogs and,
> > possibly uploading photos.
> > b) decide how to implement the Blog Editor and Admin UI. How does a
> > user get to the mobile interface, e.g. a special URL, perhaps? How
> > should the interface be implemented, e.g. Struts2 on server-side plus
> > Dojo on client side?
> >
> > To implement a mobile-friendly themes for the Blog/Pages part of the
> > Roller, you'll want to decide when to show mobile version of a blog
> > page, e.g. use HTTP User Agent to determine if request comes from
> > mobile device. Might also want to allow user to opt for "full version"
> > of a blog, and save their preference in a cookie.
> >
> > You also want to decide how a theme knows to provide mobile content.
> > One way to do this would be to add a method to one of the theme
> > objects to tell the theme that it is mobile. Each theme page could
> > then include logic to show the right content. Another, possibly better
> > way, would be to allow a theme to specify not only Weblog, Entry,
> > Search Index and TagsIndex pages, but also Mobile-Weblog,
> > Mobile-Entry, Mobile-Search-Index and etc.
> >
> > After writing all that, I think both Editor/Admin UI and Blog/Feeds
> > theme this might be too much work for one GSOC project. You might want
> > to focus on either Blog/Editor UI or Blog/Feed pages. I'd recommend
> > Blog/Feed themes. I think its more important for Roller to be able to
> > show blogs to readers on mobile devices than it is to enable Roller
> > authors to write on mobile devices.
> >
> > To put tother a proposal, you'll have to study how the RequestMapper
> > and associated Servlets work now to present a weblog via its theme and
> > proposed how to enable a blog to have a theme that shows full sized
> > pages for regular browsers and alternative pages for small devices.
> >
> > Hope that helps...
> >
> > - Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 11:12 PM, shelan Perera <sh...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi All,
> > >> Sorry for being late in responding and i am back after my university
> > >> exams.:)
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> The problem, I believe, is that Roller does provide a way for a theme
> > >>> to detect that a request is coming from a mobile device and offer
> > >>> small format pages. There are probably a variety of ways to address
> > >>> this.
> > >>>
> > >>> One way, for example, would be to allow a theme to offer small format
> > >>> pages for the key theme "action" pages of Weblog, Entry, Day, Search
> > >>> Index and Tags Index. Roller's request mapper would detect that a
> > >>> theme comes from a small device and would call those pages instead of
> > >>> the built in pages.
> > >>>
> > >>> Another way would be to give themes a way to detect a mobile device
> > >>> and a way to forward to mobile theme pages. If a theme can detect
> that
> > >>> the request comes from a mobile device, it could use logic inside
> > >>> pages to change the appearance of the theme.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think I like the first idea better. What do others think? What's
> the
> > >>> best way to handle mobile themes? Maybe we should look at Wordpress
> > >>> and Drupal to see how they handle this.
> > >>>
> > >>> Either way, it would be nice to offer users a way to opt for the
> > >>> mobile or non-mobile theme. Sometimes users on mobile devices like to
> > >>> use the full-size theme.
> > >>
> > >> I also agree with the option to let the user to choose the template.We
> > >> need to check two things before we switch.
> > >> 1)Is it a mobile browser agent 2)Is that browser html5 ready? (at
> least
> > >> for the moment since some of the browsers does not provide full
> > >> functionalities of html5.)
> > >> In wordpress there are plugins which assist the task such as
> > >> mobipress[1].In Joomla most of the template providers target IPhone
> and
> > Ipod
> > >> and offer a feature to admin so template render accordingly. Another
> > thing i
> > >> have seen on some mobile browsers is ,we can give the browser agent
> mode
> > >> (Desktop / Mobile).So when mobile user agent is enabled at the browser
> > >> option level it first check whether there is a mobile version
> available
> > for
> > >> the requested site.If so it will pick that.
> > >> In roller there is a way to add templates.What would be the possible
> > >> changes to the way it was done before.I feel that there is a
> requirement
> > of
> > >> a separate rendering module for this.But i will more in the code and
> try
> > to
> > >> understand how it behaves etc.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> [1] http://mobilepress.co.za/
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> - Dave
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> > In the mobile editing interface using html5 would be create , edit
> > >>> > drafts
> > >>> > and posts would be implemented and would be designed for convenient
> > >>> > experience.I have some understanding that it should be optimized
> for
> > >>> > user
> > >>> > interactions with touch input.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > HTML has capabilities such as,
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Client side database , Application cache, Geo Location etc, Most of
> > the
> > >>> > features leverage its capability of offline features which could
> > >>> > be beneficial vastly in Roller like blogger applications where
> users
> > >>> > tend to
> > >>> > read , edit content.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I would like to get some help , feedbacks and suggestions from the
> > >>> > community
> > >>> > to nourish the idea and make it more useful for roller.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Thank you
> > >>> >
> > >>> > --
> > >>> > Shelan Perera
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Home: http://www.shelan.org
> > >>> > Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
> > >>> > Twitter: shelan
> > >>> > skype :shelan.perera
> > >>> > gtalk :shelanrc
> > >>> >
> > >>> > I am the master of my fate:
> > >>> > I am the captain of my soul.
> > >>> > *invictus*
> > >>> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Shelan Perera
> > >> Home: http://www.shelan.org
> > >> Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
> > >> Twitter: shelan
> > >> skype :shelan.perera
> > >> gtalk :shelanrc
> > >>
> > >> I am the master of my fate:
> > >> I am the captain of my soul.
> > >> *invictus*
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Shelan Perera
> > > Home: http://www.shelan.org
> > > Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
> > > Twitter: shelan
> > > skype :shelan.perera
> > > gtalk :shelanrc
> > >
> > > I am the master of my fate:
> > > I am the captain of my soul.
> > > *invictus*
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Shelan Perera
>
> Home: http://www.shelan.org
> Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
> Twitter: shelan
> skype :shelan.perera
> gtalk :shelanrc
>
> I am the master of my fate:
> I am the captain of my soul.
> *invictus*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Shelan Perera
>
> Home: http://www.shelan.org
> Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
> Twitter: shelan
> skype :shelan.perera
> gtalk :shelanrc
>
> I am the master of my fate:
> I am the captain of my soul.
> *invictus*
>
>
--
Shelan Perera
Home: http://www.shelan.org
Blog : http://www.shelanlk.com
Twitter: shelan
skype :shelan.perera
gtalk :shelanrc
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
*invictus*