List with HTTP servers on with AXIS installs and runs?

["Schie, Sjaak van" <sj...@nl.compuware.com>]

Hello All,

When tring to install Axis I discovered, like others also did ;-), that some
versions of TomCat don't work after following the installation instructions.

Probably other people also discovered some difficulties when installing Axis
on other HTTP servers. Maybe they even have a workaround for to make Axis
run.

Is it a good idea to create a list with HTTP servers on which the AXIS beta2
has been installed and runs. And a workaround when that is available.

A start for this list can be:
--------------------------------------------------
TomCat 4.0.1 | OK
TomCat 4.0.2 | Class loading problems | Move jaxrpc.jar to common/lib
directory
TomCat 4.0.3 | Class loading problems | See TomCat 4.0.2
TomCat 4.0.4-b3 | OK
--------------------------------------------------

Then when the list is complete enough I suggest it to be added to the
installation documentation.

Sjaak van Schie


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Re: List with HTTP servers on with AXIS installs and runs?

[Martin Jericho <ma...@jabcreative.com>]

Why wait until the list is "complete"?  I encountered the problem with the
jaxrpc.jar file myself a couple of weeks ago, asked for help in the mailing
list, and got no response.  I then emailed another person with the same
problem, who had also asked in the mailing list and got no response, and
finally got the answer.  It has wasted a lot of person-hours simply because
no-one has bothered adding it to the installation instructions.  Things like
this really get on my goat!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Schie, Sjaak van" <sj...@nl.compuware.com>
To: <ax...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 4:18 PM
Subject: List with HTTP servers on with AXIS installs and runs?


> Hello All,
>
> When tring to install Axis I discovered, like others also did ;-), that
some
> versions of TomCat don't work after following the installation
instructions.
>
> Probably other people also discovered some difficulties when installing
Axis
> on other HTTP servers. Maybe they even have a workaround for to make Axis
> run.
>
> Is it a good idea to create a list with HTTP servers on which the AXIS
beta2
> has been installed and runs. And a workaround when that is available.
>
> A start for this list can be:
> --------------------------------------------------
> TomCat 4.0.1 | OK
> TomCat 4.0.2 | Class loading problems | Move jaxrpc.jar to common/lib
> directory
> TomCat 4.0.3 | Class loading problems | See TomCat 4.0.2
> TomCat 4.0.4-b3 | OK
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> Then when the list is complete enough I suggest it to be added to the
> installation documentation.
>
> Sjaak van Schie
>
>
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Re: List with HTTP servers on with AXIS installs and runs?

[Steve Loughran <st...@iseran.com>]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Heitzso" <he...@bellsouth.net>
To: <ax...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: List with HTTP servers on with AXIS installs and runs?


> Just want to flag that this problem gets thrashed on the email
> list about once a week, which is probably why others didn't respond
> right away.
>
> Tomcat 4.0.something tries to insure that a war file cannot
> run java.blat and javax.blat class files from its WEB-INF/lib and
> perhaps circumvent security thereby.
>
> Axis tries to be on the bleeding edge of standards, and hence
> requires the use of jaxrpc et al.  You cannot put these files in
> WEB-INF/lib because tomcat-trying-to-be-secure ignores them.
>
> You have a couple of solutions, depending on the JVM you're using.
>
> With JVM 1.4.x the simplest thing is to use
> -Djava.endorsed.dirs=path-to-axis-lib
>
> Otherwise you need to get these files loaded in a basic way into
> the classpath.  With tomcat 4.0.3 you typically put a single jar
> into the classpath and then, on the way up, tomcat scrounges
> around and picks up extra jars from it's lib directories.
>
> Now the above description may not be quite perfect, but I believe
> it's close to reality. Where I get fuzzy is the class ordering
> between jre extension library directories, the java.endorsed.dirs
> directories, classpath, tomcat common and other lib directories,
> et al.
>
> Note that if you use 1.4.0 jvm I believe you have to use
> java.endorsed.dirs because the jvm ships with some standard
> extensions that are not up to snuff for bleeding edge axis.
>
> One other odd maybe-true info point is a rumor that tomcat
> 4.0.4 can be configured to use java/javax files in WEB-INF/lib
> to make life easier.
>
> Please don't be harsh on this list.  I've been monitoring it
> for awhile and I've seen this problem and variations on the
> solution mentioned a good dozen times over the past few
> months.  If you searched the archives you may have missed
> the info because it tended to focus on the jvm more than on
> the servlet container.

I'll start putting together a *Better* install doc; then open it up for
contribs for people on this list to flesh out. Remember, even if you dont
want contribute to the axis code, you can always help with the docs. Its
easy, and your changes are far more likely to be accepted, cos they rarely
break anything.

The other thing I plan to add to axis is a status JSP page that looks at the
system and decides if it is happy or not. I do that with a full happiness
taglib here at work, but I will be minimalist and just code inside the JSP
for now.

So, take the attached JSP page, put in webapps/axis, and fetch it. If it
complains, you have a problem. If it doesnt complain, you still may have a
problem.

we can add more tests and advice here...maybe even print urls to the axis
web site with specific config hints.

-steve

Re: List with HTTP servers on with AXIS installs and runs?

[Heitzso <he...@bellsouth.net>]

Just want to flag that this problem gets thrashed on the email
list about once a week, which is probably why others didn't respond
right away.

Tomcat 4.0.something tries to insure that a war file cannot
run java.blat and javax.blat class files from its WEB-INF/lib and
perhaps circumvent security thereby.

Axis tries to be on the bleeding edge of standards, and hence
requires the use of jaxrpc et al.  You cannot put these files in
WEB-INF/lib because tomcat-trying-to-be-secure ignores them.

You have a couple of solutions, depending on the JVM you're using.

With JVM 1.4.x the simplest thing is to use 
	-Djava.endorsed.dirs=path-to-axis-lib

Otherwise you need to get these files loaded in a basic way into
the classpath.  With tomcat 4.0.3 you typically put a single jar
into the classpath and then, on the way up, tomcat scrounges
around and picks up extra jars from it's lib directories.

Now the above description may not be quite perfect, but I believe
it's close to reality. Where I get fuzzy is the class ordering
between jre extension library directories, the java.endorsed.dirs
directories, classpath, tomcat common and other lib directories, 
et al.  

Note that if you use 1.4.0 jvm I believe you have to use
java.endorsed.dirs because the jvm ships with some standard
extensions that are not up to snuff for bleeding edge axis.

One other odd maybe-true info point is a rumor that tomcat
4.0.4 can be configured to use java/javax files in WEB-INF/lib
to make life easier.  

Please don't be harsh on this list.  I've been monitoring it
for awhile and I've seen this problem and variations on the
solution mentioned a good dozen times over the past few
months.  If you searched the archives you may have missed
the info because it tended to focus on the jvm more than on
the servlet container.

  
Heitzso

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On Fri, 2002-06-14 at 02:18, Schie, Sjaak van wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> When tring to install Axis I discovered, like others also did ;-), that some
> versions of TomCat don't work after following the installation instructions.
> 
> Probably other people also discovered some difficulties when installing Axis
> on other HTTP servers. Maybe they even have a workaround for to make Axis
> run.
> 
> Is it a good idea to create a list with HTTP servers on which the AXIS beta2
> has been installed and runs. And a workaround when that is available.
> 
> A start for this list can be:
> --------------------------------------------------
> TomCat 4.0.1 | OK
> TomCat 4.0.2 | Class loading problems | Move jaxrpc.jar to common/lib
> directory
> TomCat 4.0.3 | Class loading problems | See TomCat 4.0.2
> TomCat 4.0.4-b3 | OK
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> Then when the list is complete enough I suggest it to be added to the
> installation documentation.
> 
> Sjaak van Schie
> 
> 
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