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IPR PERMISSION
Please find the attachment.
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 11/07/2012 04:15 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 11/05/2012 07:32 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Please find the attachment.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Institute of Lifelong Learning of the University of Delhi is asking
>>> us for permission to use materials mostly available at the old
>>> OpenOffice wiki.
>>>
>>> The attachment is now available at:
>>> http://people.apache.org/~pj/Reference%20N1.pdf
>>>
>>> NOTE: Item 7 refers to an image available
>>> http://www.openofficetips.com/. I would think that page not affiliated
>>> with AOO.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I think the majority of these items come from the OpenOffice 3.3 User
>> Guide(s) which is dual licensed with GNU Public License, ver 3 , or Creative
>> Commons Attribution License, ver 3. In either case, I think using the
>> graphic elements are fine and in compliance with these licenses. Several
>> contributing authors are on this list, however, and they may wish to comment
>> as well.
>
> All we can really do is point to the license if we can determine what it is.
The Copyright/license is on the 2nd page of the User Guide(s).
http://wiki.openoffice.org/w/images/3/32/0100GS33-GettingStartedOOo33.pdf
I don't have the original message so I can't respond directly. But, if
someone else could do this, that would be great.
(the links in original message,
http://people.apache.org/~pj/Reference%20N1.pdf, were kind of a
short-hand, so it too me a bit to track down this down)
>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "You're not going to believe car are you?"
>> -- Dave Harken (Kevin Spacey) "Horrible Bosses"
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
“How wrong is it for a woman to expect the man to build the world
she wants, rather than to create it herself?”
-- Anais Nin
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
On 11/8/2012 8:15 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 11/05/2012 07:32 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Please find the attachment.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Institute of Lifelong Learning of the University of Delhi is asking
>>> us for permission to use materials mostly available at the old
>>> OpenOffice wiki.
>>>
>>> The attachment is now available at:
>>> http://people.apache.org/~pj/Reference%20N1.pdf
>>>
>>> NOTE: Item 7 refers to an image available
>>> http://www.openofficetips.com/. I would think that page not affiliated
>>> with AOO.
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I think the majority of these items come from the OpenOffice 3.3 User
>> Guide(s) which is dual licensed with GNU Public License, ver 3 , or Creative
>> Commons Attribution License, ver 3. In either case, I think using the
>> graphic elements are fine and in compliance with these licenses. Several
>> contributing authors are on this list, however, and they may wish to comment
>> as well.
>
> All we can really do is point to the license if we can determine what it is.
Exactly.
And, from my point of view at least half of the referred items would not
cause any IPR issue (at least it's like that in Germany) because they're
simple screen shots which everyone can reproduce within seconds so they
lack of a threshold of originality.
Peter
>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> MzK
>>
>> "You're not going to believe car are you?"
>> -- Dave Harken (Kevin Spacey) "Horrible Bosses"
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 11/05/2012 07:32 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
>>
>> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>>>
>>> Please find the attachment.
>>
>>
>> The Institute of Lifelong Learning of the University of Delhi is asking
>> us for permission to use materials mostly available at the old
>> OpenOffice wiki.
>>
>> The attachment is now available at:
>> http://people.apache.org/~pj/Reference%20N1.pdf
>>
>> NOTE: Item 7 refers to an image available
>> http://www.openofficetips.com/. I would think that page not affiliated
>> with AOO.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>
> I think the majority of these items come from the OpenOffice 3.3 User
> Guide(s) which is dual licensed with GNU Public License, ver 3 , or Creative
> Commons Attribution License, ver 3. In either case, I think using the
> graphic elements are fine and in compliance with these licenses. Several
> contributing authors are on this list, however, and they may wish to comment
> as well.
All we can really do is point to the license if we can determine what it is.
>>
>>
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> "You're not going to believe car are you?"
> -- Dave Harken (Kevin Spacey) "Horrible Bosses"
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 11/05/2012 07:32 PM, Peter Junge wrote:
> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>> Please find the attachment.
>
> The Institute of Lifelong Learning of the University of Delhi is asking
> us for permission to use materials mostly available at the old
> OpenOffice wiki.
>
> The attachment is now available at:
> http://people.apache.org/~pj/Reference%20N1.pdf
>
> NOTE: Item 7 refers to an image available
> http://www.openofficetips.com/. I would think that page not affiliated
> with AOO.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
I think the majority of these items come from the OpenOffice 3.3 User
Guide(s) which is dual licensed with GNU Public License, ver 3 , or
Creative Commons Attribution License, ver 3. In either case, I think
using the graphic elements are fine and in compliance with these
licenses. Several contributing authors are on this list, however, and
they may wish to comment as well.
>
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"You're not going to believe car are you?"
-- Dave Harken (Kevin Spacey) "Horrible Bosses"
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
Dear Sumanyu Satpathy,
IPR is always a bit difficult, please note that I'm not a lawyer and I
cannot give any guarantee that what I'm saying below is correct.
I cannot grant the permissions that you are asking for but that doesn't
even seem necessary. All the items that you are referring to (except
item 7, see below) already come with a license. As far as I can see
there are five different ones:
1) Public Documentation License (www.openoffice.org/licenses/PDL.rtf)
2) Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported
(http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/)
3) Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported
(http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
4) GNU General Public License (http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html)
5) Apache License, Version 2.0 (http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0)
As far as I can see it, all these licenses will allow you to use the
images that you are referring to in the way you are asking them to use.
You just have to make sure that you are following the license terms. The
most important points that needs to be considered with some of these
licenses are 1) that you need to attribute the materials that you are
reusing by author, licensor or source without suggesting that the IPR
owner is endorsing your work and 2) you need to share the materials
yourself under the same license. (As said above, these are only two
important aspects and they may not apply to all the materials that you
are referring.)
Please note, the source (http://www.openofficetips.com/) of item 7 is
not affiliated with Apache OpenOffice. You will certainly find a similar
image on the OpenOffice website if you look for it.
In general I can say that I'm really appreciating efforts like yours and
I guess a large majority of the AOO community shares my opinion.
Kindest regards,
Peter
On 11/6/2012 11:32 AM, Peter Junge wrote:
> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>> Please find the attachment.
>
> The Institute of Lifelong Learning of the University of Delhi is asking
> us for permission to use materials mostly available at the old
> OpenOffice wiki.
>
> The attachment is now available at:
> http://people.apache.org/~pj/Reference%20N1.pdf
>
> NOTE: Item 7 refers to an image available
> http://www.openofficetips.com/. I would think that page not affiliated
> with AOO.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
> Please find the attachment.
The Institute of Lifelong Learning of the University of Delhi is asking
us for permission to use materials mostly available at the old
OpenOffice wiki.
The attachment is now available at:
http://people.apache.org/~pj/Reference%20N1.pdf
NOTE: Item 7 refers to an image available
http://www.openofficetips.com/. I would think that page not affiliated
with AOO.
Peter
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 11/5/12, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
> Rob, *,
>
> On 10/29/2012 8:08 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>
>> wrote:
>>> On 10/24/2012 10:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>
> [..]
>
>>>> Surely you as moderator have received the attachments? Just get on
>>>> with it and explain what the request it. Asking the sender to debug
>>>> this is probably not going to work.
>>>
>>>
>>> It already worked half way. I prefer to help people to help themselves.
>>> That
>>> makes it easier for them to come back later, standing on their own feet.
>>>
>>
>> Do you really think that we'll hear from them again? Even if the same
>> company needed permission from us again (unlikely) the chances are
>> that we'd get a request from a different employee. Taking time to
>> explain the technical limitations of our mailing list to a random
>> office worker is not an investment that will ever pay off.
>
> Yes, I do. It's no company but a academic research center is contacting
> us. They want to use materials about Calc for their courses. It's not
> unlikely that a similar request about Writer will follow. The requester
> is not a random office worker but a director of that institute.
>
>>
>> All that is happening is we're delaying getting this request to the
>> party that actually has the authority to grant permission, namely V.P.
>> Branding, Since the trademarks@ mailing list does accept attachments,
>> isn't the easiest resolution to ask them to forward their request to
>> trademarks@ ???
>
> I don't think the request is time critical. Otherwise, I would certainly
> have taken action before. The request is also not about using the
> OpenOffice trademark, but about reusing materials from the old wiki for
> curricula. That should already been licensed under Creative Commons or
> similar. I don't think trademarks@ need to be involved.
>
> However, you seem right in this case that things sometimes don't work. I
> want to upload the PDF to a web space so I can send a link to the list.
> Does Apache have a public FTP server where one may put such documents?
i would expect the insititute having a webspace on their own to upload
files or materials.
>
> Peter
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please, do not send one request for permission per every screen
>>>>>>> shot.
>>>>>>> Just
>>>>>>> contact this list (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org) and describe your
>>>>>>> concern
>>>>>>> in general. I'm sure we'll find an easy solution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For now, I'm not moderating your other messages through because the
>>>>>>> attachments will be stripped of anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please find the attachment.
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
On 11/6/2012 12:04 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>> Rob, *,
>>
>>
>> On 10/29/2012 8:08 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 10/24/2012 10:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
>> [..]
>>
>>
>>>>> Surely you as moderator have received the attachments? Just get on
>>>>> with it and explain what the request it. Asking the sender to debug
>>>>> this is probably not going to work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It already worked half way. I prefer to help people to help themselves.
>>>> That
>>>> makes it easier for them to come back later, standing on their own feet.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you really think that we'll hear from them again? Even if the same
>>> company needed permission from us again (unlikely) the chances are
>>> that we'd get a request from a different employee. Taking time to
>>> explain the technical limitations of our mailing list to a random
>>> office worker is not an investment that will ever pay off.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I do. It's no company but a academic research center is contacting us.
>> They want to use materials about Calc for their courses. It's not unlikely
>> that a similar request about Writer will follow. The requester is not a
>> random office worker but a director of that institute.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> All that is happening is we're delaying getting this request to the
>>> party that actually has the authority to grant permission, namely V.P.
>>> Branding, Since the trademarks@ mailing list does accept attachments,
>>> isn't the easiest resolution to ask them to forward their request to
>>> trademarks@ ???
>>
>>
>> I don't think the request is time critical. Otherwise, I would certainly
>> have taken action before. The request is also not about using the OpenOffice
>> trademark, but about reusing materials from the old wiki for curricula. That
>> should already been licensed under Creative Commons or similar. I don't
>> think trademarks@ need to be involved.
>>
>> However, you seem right in this case that things sometimes don't work. I
>> want to upload the PDF to a web space so I can send a link to the list. Does
>> Apache have a public FTP server where one may put such documents?
>>
>
> If you have the PDF you could put it on your people.apache.org
> directory. All committers have this ability.
>
> You need to use scp to get the file uploaded. You can create a
> public_html directory and put the PDF there.
>
> See: http://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html#personal-web-space
That did the trick. Thanks! :-)
Peter
>
> That would make the info public. If the information is confidential,
> then you can share it with the PMC by checking it into:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/pmc/incubator/ooo (assuming it
> has not moved yet)
>
> Regards,
>
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please, do not send one request for permission per every screen shot.
>>>>>>>> Just
>>>>>>>> contact this list (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org) and describe your
>>>>>>>> concern
>>>>>>>> in general. I'm sure we'll find an easy solution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For now, I'm not moderating your other messages through because the
>>>>>>>> attachments will be stripped of anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please find the attachment.
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
> Rob, *,
>
>
> On 10/29/2012 8:08 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/24/2012 10:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
> [..]
>
>
>>>> Surely you as moderator have received the attachments? Just get on
>>>> with it and explain what the request it. Asking the sender to debug
>>>> this is probably not going to work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It already worked half way. I prefer to help people to help themselves.
>>> That
>>> makes it easier for them to come back later, standing on their own feet.
>>>
>>
>> Do you really think that we'll hear from them again? Even if the same
>> company needed permission from us again (unlikely) the chances are
>> that we'd get a request from a different employee. Taking time to
>> explain the technical limitations of our mailing list to a random
>> office worker is not an investment that will ever pay off.
>
>
> Yes, I do. It's no company but a academic research center is contacting us.
> They want to use materials about Calc for their courses. It's not unlikely
> that a similar request about Writer will follow. The requester is not a
> random office worker but a director of that institute.
>
>
>>
>> All that is happening is we're delaying getting this request to the
>> party that actually has the authority to grant permission, namely V.P.
>> Branding, Since the trademarks@ mailing list does accept attachments,
>> isn't the easiest resolution to ask them to forward their request to
>> trademarks@ ???
>
>
> I don't think the request is time critical. Otherwise, I would certainly
> have taken action before. The request is also not about using the OpenOffice
> trademark, but about reusing materials from the old wiki for curricula. That
> should already been licensed under Creative Commons or similar. I don't
> think trademarks@ need to be involved.
>
> However, you seem right in this case that things sometimes don't work. I
> want to upload the PDF to a web space so I can send a link to the list. Does
> Apache have a public FTP server where one may put such documents?
>
If you have the PDF you could put it on your people.apache.org
directory. All committers have this ability.
You need to use scp to get the file uploaded. You can create a
public_html directory and put the PDF there.
See: http://www.apache.org/dev/new-committers-guide.html#personal-web-space
That would make the info public. If the information is confidential,
then you can share it with the PMC by checking it into:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/private/pmc/incubator/ooo (assuming it
has not moved yet)
Regards,
-Rob
> Peter
>
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please, do not send one request for permission per every screen shot.
>>>>>>> Just
>>>>>>> contact this list (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org) and describe your
>>>>>>> concern
>>>>>>> in general. I'm sure we'll find an easy solution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For now, I'm not moderating your other messages through because the
>>>>>>> attachments will be stripped of anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please find the attachment.
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
Rob, *,
On 10/29/2012 8:08 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>> On 10/24/2012 10:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>>>>
[..]
>>> Surely you as moderator have received the attachments? Just get on
>>> with it and explain what the request it. Asking the sender to debug
>>> this is probably not going to work.
>>
>>
>> It already worked half way. I prefer to help people to help themselves. That
>> makes it easier for them to come back later, standing on their own feet.
>>
>
> Do you really think that we'll hear from them again? Even if the same
> company needed permission from us again (unlikely) the chances are
> that we'd get a request from a different employee. Taking time to
> explain the technical limitations of our mailing list to a random
> office worker is not an investment that will ever pay off.
Yes, I do. It's no company but a academic research center is contacting
us. They want to use materials about Calc for their courses. It's not
unlikely that a similar request about Writer will follow. The requester
is not a random office worker but a director of that institute.
>
> All that is happening is we're delaying getting this request to the
> party that actually has the authority to grant permission, namely V.P.
> Branding, Since the trademarks@ mailing list does accept attachments,
> isn't the easiest resolution to ask them to forward their request to
> trademarks@ ???
I don't think the request is time critical. Otherwise, I would certainly
have taken action before. The request is also not about using the
OpenOffice trademark, but about reusing materials from the old wiki for
curricula. That should already been licensed under Creative Commons or
similar. I don't think trademarks@ need to be involved.
However, you seem right in this case that things sometimes don't work. I
want to upload the PDF to a web space so I can send a link to the list.
Does Apache have a public FTP server where one may put such documents?
Peter
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please, do not send one request for permission per every screen shot.
>>>>>> Just
>>>>>> contact this list (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org) and describe your
>>>>>> concern
>>>>>> in general. I'm sure we'll find an easy solution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For now, I'm not moderating your other messages through because the
>>>>>> attachments will be stripped of anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please find the attachment.
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 12:59 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
> On 10/24/2012 10:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 10/23/2012 7:42 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear Sumanyu Satpathy,
>>>>>
>>>>> we have been receiving several emails with attached documents in the
>>>>> moderation queue of this mailing list. As far as I understand it, you
>>>>> want
>>>>> to obtain permissions to use several screenshots of OpenOffice in
>>>>> publications.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>
>>>> If they are asking to use screenshots of OpenOffice in a book, we've
>>>> received several requests like this in the past. The policy for this
>>>> is here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>>>>
>>>> If there use matches that description they could contact
>>>> trademarks@apache.org directly, per the above policy.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, I wanted to wait until Sumanyu Satpathy sends a usable request to
>>> the
>>> mailing list here. So far the mails that have been landing here refer
>>> attachments that have been stripped off.
>>>
>>
>> Surely you as moderator have received the attachments? Just get on
>> with it and explain what the request it. Asking the sender to debug
>> this is probably not going to work.
>
>
> It already worked half way. I prefer to help people to help themselves. That
> makes it easier for them to come back later, standing on their own feet.
>
Do you really think that we'll hear from them again? Even if the same
company needed permission from us again (unlikely) the chances are
that we'd get a request from a different employee. Taking time to
explain the technical limitations of our mailing list to a random
office worker is not an investment that will ever pay off.
All that is happening is we're delaying getting this request to the
party that actually has the authority to grant permission, namely V.P.
Branding, Since the trademarks@ mailing list does accept attachments,
isn't the easiest resolution to ask them to forward their request to
trademarks@ ???
-Rob
> Peter
>
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Please, do not send one request for permission per every screen shot.
>>>>> Just
>>>>> contact this list (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org) and describe your
>>>>> concern
>>>>> in general. I'm sure we'll find an easy solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> For now, I'm not moderating your other messages through because the
>>>>> attachments will be stripped of anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please find the attachment.
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
On 10/24/2012 10:23 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>> On 10/23/2012 7:42 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Sumanyu Satpathy,
>>>>
>>>> we have been receiving several emails with attached documents in the
>>>> moderation queue of this mailing list. As far as I understand it, you
>>>> want
>>>> to obtain permissions to use several screenshots of OpenOffice in
>>>> publications.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> If they are asking to use screenshots of OpenOffice in a book, we've
>>> received several requests like this in the past. The policy for this
>>> is here:
>>>
>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>>>
>>> If there use matches that description they could contact
>>> trademarks@apache.org directly, per the above policy.
>>
>>
>> Well, I wanted to wait until Sumanyu Satpathy sends a usable request to the
>> mailing list here. So far the mails that have been landing here refer
>> attachments that have been stripped off.
>>
>
> Surely you as moderator have received the attachments? Just get on
> with it and explain what the request it. Asking the sender to debug
> this is probably not going to work.
It already worked half way. I prefer to help people to help themselves.
That makes it easier for them to come back later, standing on their own
feet.
Peter
>
> -Rob
>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>> Please, do not send one request for permission per every screen shot.
>>>> Just
>>>> contact this list (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org) and describe your
>>>> concern
>>>> in general. I'm sure we'll find an easy solution.
>>>>
>>>> For now, I'm not moderating your other messages through because the
>>>> attachments will be stripped of anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please find the attachment.
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:01 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
> On 10/23/2012 7:42 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Sumanyu Satpathy,
>>>
>>> we have been receiving several emails with attached documents in the
>>> moderation queue of this mailing list. As far as I understand it, you
>>> want
>>> to obtain permissions to use several screenshots of OpenOffice in
>>> publications.
>>>
>>
>> Hi Peter,
>>
>> If they are asking to use screenshots of OpenOffice in a book, we've
>> received several requests like this in the past. The policy for this
>> is here:
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>>
>> If there use matches that description they could contact
>> trademarks@apache.org directly, per the above policy.
>
>
> Well, I wanted to wait until Sumanyu Satpathy sends a usable request to the
> mailing list here. So far the mails that have been landing here refer
> attachments that have been stripped off.
>
Surely you as moderator have received the attachments? Just get on
with it and explain what the request it. Asking the sender to debug
this is probably not going to work.
-Rob
> Peter
>
>
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>>> Please, do not send one request for permission per every screen shot.
>>> Just
>>> contact this list (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org) and describe your
>>> concern
>>> in general. I'm sure we'll find an easy solution.
>>>
>>> For now, I'm not moderating your other messages through because the
>>> attachments will be stripped of anyway.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please find the attachment.
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
On 10/23/2012 7:42 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
>> Dear Sumanyu Satpathy,
>>
>> we have been receiving several emails with attached documents in the
>> moderation queue of this mailing list. As far as I understand it, you want
>> to obtain permissions to use several screenshots of OpenOffice in
>> publications.
>>
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> If they are asking to use screenshots of OpenOffice in a book, we've
> received several requests like this in the past. The policy for this
> is here:
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
>
> If there use matches that description they could contact
> trademarks@apache.org directly, per the above policy.
Well, I wanted to wait until Sumanyu Satpathy sends a usable request to
the mailing list here. So far the mails that have been landing here
refer attachments that have been stripped off.
Peter
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> Please, do not send one request for permission per every screen shot. Just
>> contact this list (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org) and describe your concern
>> in general. I'm sure we'll find an easy solution.
>>
>> For now, I'm not moderating your other messages through because the
>> attachments will be stripped of anyway.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Peter
>>
>> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>>>
>>> Please find the attachment.
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org> wrote:
> Dear Sumanyu Satpathy,
>
> we have been receiving several emails with attached documents in the
> moderation queue of this mailing list. As far as I understand it, you want
> to obtain permissions to use several screenshots of OpenOffice in
> publications.
>
Hi Peter,
If they are asking to use screenshots of OpenOffice in a book, we've
received several requests like this in the past. The policy for this
is here:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#insidebook
If there use matches that description they could contact
trademarks@apache.org directly, per the above policy.
-Rob
> Please, do not send one request for permission per every screen shot. Just
> contact this list (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org) and describe your concern
> in general. I'm sure we'll find an easy solution.
>
> For now, I'm not moderating your other messages through because the
> attachments will be stripped of anyway.
>
> Best regards,
> Peter
>
> On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
>>
>> Please find the attachment.
Re: IPR PERMISSION
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
Dear Sumanyu Satpathy,
we have been receiving several emails with attached documents in the
moderation queue of this mailing list. As far as I understand it, you
want to obtain permissions to use several screenshots of OpenOffice in
publications.
Please, do not send one request for permission per every screen shot.
Just contact this list (ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org) and describe your
concern in general. I'm sure we'll find an easy solution.
For now, I'm not moderating your other messages through because the
attachments will be stripped of anyway.
Best regards,
Peter
On 10/23/2012 5:30 PM, ILLL Copyright wrote:
> Please find the attachment.