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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> on 2012/03/12 13:50:13 UTC
Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
I jest,of course.
But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
but how can we best refute that statement?
Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on this.
Regards,
-Rob
RE: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by YangTerry <po...@hotmail.com>.
I also a new comer for this project, I have half a year test experience on OpenOffice.
Now I'm focus on SpreadSheet testing.
Thanks,
Terry
> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:52:26 +0800
> Subject: Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
> From: phoenix.wanglf@gmail.com
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>
> I am a new comer of AOO project, And have nearly half a year experience
> about this project as tester.
> I will follow AOO and become faimilar with AOO gradualy.
>
> 2012/3/13 Kevin Sisco <ke...@gmail.com>
>
> > I do feel that we need to continue to focus on the issues at hand. We
> > wouldn't want this project to fall into extinction after all these
> > years now would we?
> >
> >
> > On 3/12/12, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
> > >>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
> > >>> level of its participants.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
> > >>
> > >> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
> > >> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
> > >> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
> > >>
> > >
> > > Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this. The
> > > nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
> > > agree to be accurate and positive. We don't need to agree on a
> > > narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
> > > better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
> > > Let's find more ways of saying "yes and" instead of "no, but".
> > >
> > > -Rob
> > >
> >
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by shzh zhao <ao...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I was working in Symphony project for 6 years as a developer. My area
focuses on interoperability with MS BIFF,chart,datapilot,1 million
row,copy/paste,
filter,encryption,performance
and so on.
Thanks & Regards,
Aoo.zhaoshzh@gmail.com
2012/3/13 lifeng wang <ph...@gmail.com>
> I am a new comer of AOO project, And have nearly half a year experience
> about this project as tester.
> I will follow AOO and become faimilar with AOO gradualy.
>
> 2012/3/13 Kevin Sisco <ke...@gmail.com>
>
> > I do feel that we need to continue to focus on the issues at hand. We
> > wouldn't want this project to fall into extinction after all these
> > years now would we?
> >
> >
> > On 3/12/12, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
> > >>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
> > >>> level of its participants.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
> > >>
> > >> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
> > >> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
> > >> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
> > >>
> > >
> > > Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this. The
> > > nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
> > > agree to be accurate and positive. We don't need to agree on a
> > > narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
> > > better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
> > > Let's find more ways of saying "yes and" instead of "no, but".
> > >
> > > -Rob
> > >
> >
>
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Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by lifeng wang <ph...@gmail.com>.
I am a new comer of AOO project, And have nearly half a year experience
about this project as tester.
I will follow AOO and become faimilar with AOO gradualy.
2012/3/13 Kevin Sisco <ke...@gmail.com>
> I do feel that we need to continue to focus on the issues at hand. We
> wouldn't want this project to fall into extinction after all these
> years now would we?
>
>
> On 3/12/12, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
> >>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
> >>> level of its participants.
> >>>
> >>
> >> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
> >>
> >> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
> >> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
> >> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
> >>
> >
> > Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this. The
> > nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
> > agree to be accurate and positive. We don't need to agree on a
> > narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
> > better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
> > Let's find more ways of saying "yes and" instead of "no, but".
> >
> > -Rob
> >
>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Yong Lin Ma <ma...@gmail.com>.
I am from Symphony team. I am the architect of IBM Symphony.
It would back to end of 2002 when we started to work on a project
called OpenStorm which was based on OpenOffice.org 1.4. Almost ten
years
from today.
OpenStorm was embedded into Lotus Notes after that. In 2008, Symphony
1.0 was released as an independent application. Now the
latest release of it is Symphony 3.0.1.
I ever worked on Infobox(It is replaced by property sidebar),
stability, integration (C++ part of Symphony integrated with Eclipse)
and Mac porting
project (Since OO.o updated the license, the Auqua port in Symphony
was made independently before Symphony 3.0).
I also leading the effort of Symphony 3.0. OpenOffice.org 3.1 was
taken as the base of Symphony 3.0. Then Symphony features/improvements
were reimplemented on it piece by piece from 2009.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM, Kevin Sisco <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I do feel that we need to continue to focus on the issues at hand. We
> wouldn't want this project to fall into extinction after all these
> years now would we?
>
>
> On 3/12/12, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
>>>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
>>>> level of its participants.
>>>>
>>>
>>> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
>>>
>>> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
>>> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
>>> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
>>>
>>
>> Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this. The
>> nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
>> agree to be accurate and positive. We don't need to agree on a
>> narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
>> better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
>> Let's find more ways of saying "yes and" instead of "no, but".
>>
>> -Rob
>>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Kevin Sisco <ke...@gmail.com>.
I do feel that we need to continue to focus on the issues at hand. We
wouldn't want this project to fall into extinction after all these
years now would we?
On 3/12/12, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
>>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
>>> level of its participants.
>>>
>>
>> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
>>
>> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
>> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
>> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
>>
>
> Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this. The
> nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
> agree to be accurate and positive. We don't need to agree on a
> narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
> better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
> Let's find more ways of saying "yes and" instead of "no, but".
>
> -Rob
>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by yue helen <he...@gmail.com>.
It's really encouraging and warm to see many people active here...also
allows me a chance to introduce myself.
I joined Symphony development in 2002. My experience includes the
development on SmartSuite filters which was contributed to OOo by my
colleague, ODF, PDF, XForms and some miscellaneous aspects. I had my
contribution to ODF/Open Formula spec. I then moved to team management by
leading dev team. I'm also familar with the feature comparison of office
products, so I can also help on planning, prioritization, communication,
documentation if time allows.
Helen
2012/3/13 Yong Lin Ma <ma...@gmail.com>
> Although most people introduced themselves before. It is still good
> and meaningful to see people gathered and say hello to each other in
> single thread. This also can give us an impression that how many
> contributors are active after 9 months.
>
> >
> > On 2012-03-12 5:49 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 12, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Pedro Giffuni<pf...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 03/12/12 14:48, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni<pf...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
> >>>>>>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
> >>>>>>> level of its participants.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
> >>>>>> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
> >>>>>> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this. The
> >>>>> nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
> >>>>> agree to be accurate and positive. We don't need to agree on a
> >>>>> narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
> >>>>> better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
> >>>>> Let's find more ways of saying "yes and" instead of "no, but".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Rob
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> You didn't get it: the channel matters.
> >>>>
> >>>> If a blog from the Apache Foundation says "OpenOffice is not
> >>>> dead" and a blog from TDF says "OpenOffice.org is dead",
> >>>> well ... both can be wrong or right ...
> >>>>
> >>>> OTOH, If the openoffice.org says "alive and kicking" the
> >>>> message is way more credible.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> So that is a "yes, and" statement. Yes, let's do the home page, and
> >>> the other things as well, if we have volunteers to do them. They work
> >>> together. Certainly the home page gets a lot of traffic, so it can
> >>> reinforce a message.
> >>>
> >>>> This said ... I don't feel confident enough to modify the
> >>>> main page: if I, for example, screw things up badly and
> >>>> want to revert my changes, can I do that easily in
> >>>> Apache CMS?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> It may depend on whether you want to change only the main index.html
> >>> page, or change the repeated page elements that appear on every page.
> >>> Dave would know how far you can go without forcing a complete rebuild.
> >>
> >>
> >> We now use Server Side Includes and there are no longer any sledgehammer
> >> builds.
> >>
> >> I have a notion to make it easy to add news to the main page. The
> buttons
> >> are a current issue on the main page and the downloads.
> >>
> >> It is safe to change/update news stories using the Apache CMS
> Bookmarklet
> >> directly from www.openoffice.org. If you are not a committer then you
> can
> >> create a patch.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> -Rob
> >>>
> >>>> cheers,
> >>>>
> >>>> Pedro.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Yong Lin Ma <ma...@gmail.com>.
Although most people introduced themselves before. It is still good
and meaningful to see people gathered and say hello to each other in
single thread. This also can give us an impression that how many
contributors are active after 9 months.
>
> On 2012-03-12 5:49 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Pedro Giffuni<pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 03/12/12 14:48, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni<pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
>>>>>>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
>>>>>>> level of its participants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
>>>>>> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
>>>>>> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this. The
>>>>> nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
>>>>> agree to be accurate and positive. We don't need to agree on a
>>>>> narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
>>>>> better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
>>>>> Let's find more ways of saying "yes and" instead of "no, but".
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You didn't get it: the channel matters.
>>>>
>>>> If a blog from the Apache Foundation says "OpenOffice is not
>>>> dead" and a blog from TDF says "OpenOffice.org is dead",
>>>> well ... both can be wrong or right ...
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, If the openoffice.org says "alive and kicking" the
>>>> message is way more credible.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So that is a "yes, and" statement. Yes, let's do the home page, and
>>> the other things as well, if we have volunteers to do them. They work
>>> together. Certainly the home page gets a lot of traffic, so it can
>>> reinforce a message.
>>>
>>>> This said ... I don't feel confident enough to modify the
>>>> main page: if I, for example, screw things up badly and
>>>> want to revert my changes, can I do that easily in
>>>> Apache CMS?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It may depend on whether you want to change only the main index.html
>>> page, or change the repeated page elements that appear on every page.
>>> Dave would know how far you can go without forcing a complete rebuild.
>>
>>
>> We now use Server Side Includes and there are no longer any sledgehammer
>> builds.
>>
>> I have a notion to make it easy to add news to the main page. The buttons
>> are a current issue on the main page and the downloads.
>>
>> It is safe to change/update news stories using the Apache CMS Bookmarklet
>> directly from www.openoffice.org. If you are not a committer then you can
>> create a patch.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Pedro.
>>
>>
>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Pedro Giffuni <pf...@FreeBSD.org>.
On 03/13/12 14:47, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> The CMS is just a wrapper for several
> common svn commands- most of your everyday
> workflow with svn can be carried out with
> the CMS's webgui. Here's the list of supported
> modules (aka svn working copy actions):
>
>
> 808476 808206 joes WC
> 808476 807515 joes Add.pm
> 808476 808206 joes Browse.pm
> 808476 806856 joes Commit.pm
> 808476 806209 joes Copy.pm
> 808476 806209 joes Delete.pm
> 808476 784201 joes Diff.pm
> 808476 808206 joes Edit.pm
> 808476 807306 joes Mail.pm
> 808476 806839 joes Move.pm
> 808476 808170 joes Production.pm
> 808476 806209 joes Resolve.pm
> 808476 806209 joes Revert.pm
> 808476 808171 joes Staged.pm
> 808476 781267 joes Static.pm
> 808476 806856 joes Update.pm
>
Thanks I really needed to know that Revert.pm exists :).
Pedro.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>.
The CMS is just a wrapper for several
common svn commands- most of your everyday
workflow with svn can be carried out with
the CMS's webgui. Here's the list of supported
modules (aka svn working copy actions):
808476 808206 joes WC
808476 807515 joes Add.pm
808476 808206 joes Browse.pm
808476 806856 joes Commit.pm
808476 806209 joes Copy.pm
808476 806209 joes Delete.pm
808476 784201 joes Diff.pm
808476 808206 joes Edit.pm
808476 807306 joes Mail.pm
808476 806839 joes Move.pm
808476 808170 joes Production.pm
808476 806209 joes Resolve.pm
808476 806209 joes Revert.pm
808476 808171 joes Staged.pm
808476 781267 joes Static.pm
808476 806856 joes Update.pm
>________________________________
> From: Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>
>To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:43 PM
>Subject: Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
>
>On 03/13/12 10:50, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> Hi Shane,
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>>
>>> +1 to Pedro's point that the main end-user channel is crucially important.
>>>
>>> In one way, it feels like there are two discussions in this sub-thread:
>>>
>>> - Rob zeroing in on his infographic idea (and building at least a small subset of good data on participant history). It will make a good blog post and pointer for information on who's working here.
>>>
>>> - Several other people believing that the main end-user facing information source is probably the most important tool we have to deal with either FUD, or just plain user interest.
>>>
>>> Dave - do we have a "one stop shop" for pointers for committers who want to work on the oo.o website? In particular for text only changes (i.e. no graphics or style stuff), are there any gotchas on any of the main parts of the site these days?
>> Recently Kay updated this page: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/website-local.html
>>
>> Recently at Joe's prompting we switched to using SSI and there are now no more sledgehammer svn issues.
>>
>> (1) I should find some cycles (finally) to focus on some "how to" pages. As an example I'll show the branding change to Drew's AOO logo, which I will do.
>>
>> (2) The other bit will be a how to about NL branding.
>>
>> (3) Make the news more prominent and the buttons smaller on index.html. Convert news and button content to mdtext to make these more accessible for NL home pages.
>I am just not the webmaster type even when I did that long, long, ago.
>In any case I just thought I'd share some feedback:
>
>
>I've been using the bookmarklet and for simple changes it's OK
>but I haven't really tried some more advanced issues like uploading
>images, creating or deleting pages (the GPL3, for example, can be
>linked to the FSF instead of carrying it in the website) simply because
>I am unsure if such changes can be undone from the bookmarklet
>or one has to go to SVN to revert a change.
>
>Another thing is that it would be nice to be able to work collectively
>on a branch and switch to it at a later time, for example for the release.
>
>cheers,
>
>Pedro.
>
>
>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>.
On 03/13/12 10:50, Dave Fisher wrote:
> Hi Shane,
>
> On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>
>> +1 to Pedro's point that the main end-user channel is crucially important.
>>
>> In one way, it feels like there are two discussions in this sub-thread:
>>
>> - Rob zeroing in on his infographic idea (and building at least a small subset of good data on participant history). It will make a good blog post and pointer for information on who's working here.
>>
>> - Several other people believing that the main end-user facing information source is probably the most important tool we have to deal with either FUD, or just plain user interest.
>>
>> Dave - do we have a "one stop shop" for pointers for committers who want to work on the oo.o website? In particular for text only changes (i.e. no graphics or style stuff), are there any gotchas on any of the main parts of the site these days?
> Recently Kay updated this page: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/website-local.html
>
> Recently at Joe's prompting we switched to using SSI and there are now no more sledgehammer svn issues.
>
> (1) I should find some cycles (finally) to focus on some "how to" pages. As an example I'll show the branding change to Drew's AOO logo, which I will do.
>
> (2) The other bit will be a how to about NL branding.
>
> (3) Make the news more prominent and the buttons smaller on index.html. Convert news and button content to mdtext to make these more accessible for NL home pages.
I am just not the webmaster type even when I did that long, long, ago.
In any case I just thought I'd share some feedback:
I've been using the bookmarklet and for simple changes it's OK
but I haven't really tried some more advanced issues like uploading
images, creating or deleting pages (the GPL3, for example, can be
linked to the FSF instead of carrying it in the website) simply because
I am unsure if such changes can be undone from the bookmarklet
or one has to go to SVN to revert a change.
Another thing is that it would be nice to be able to work collectively
on a branch and switch to it at a later time, for example for the release.
cheers,
Pedro.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi Shane,
On Mar 13, 2012, at 5:23 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> +1 to Pedro's point that the main end-user channel is crucially important.
>
> In one way, it feels like there are two discussions in this sub-thread:
>
> - Rob zeroing in on his infographic idea (and building at least a small subset of good data on participant history). It will make a good blog post and pointer for information on who's working here.
>
> - Several other people believing that the main end-user facing information source is probably the most important tool we have to deal with either FUD, or just plain user interest.
>
> Dave - do we have a "one stop shop" for pointers for committers who want to work on the oo.o website? In particular for text only changes (i.e. no graphics or style stuff), are there any gotchas on any of the main parts of the site these days?
Recently Kay updated this page: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/website-local.html
Recently at Joe's prompting we switched to using SSI and there are now no more sledgehammer svn issues.
(1) I should find some cycles (finally) to focus on some "how to" pages. As an example I'll show the branding change to Drew's AOO logo, which I will do.
(2) The other bit will be a how to about NL branding.
(3) Make the news more prominent and the buttons smaller on index.html. Convert news and button content to mdtext to make these more accessible for NL home pages.
>
> Personally, I agree with Pedro, and I'm far more interested in working on the larger story of ensuring that end users understand the transition from OOo -> AOO. Presuming I can free up some time next week I'd like to do something about the quite annoying lack of obvious "Apache" mentions all over the oo.o site.
Regards,
Dave
>
> - Shane
>
> On 2012-03-12 5:49 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Pedro Giffuni<pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> On 03/12/12 14:48, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni<pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
>>>>>>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
>>>>>>> level of its participants.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
>>>>>> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
>>>>>> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
>>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this. The
>>>>> nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
>>>>> agree to be accurate and positive. We don't need to agree on a
>>>>> narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
>>>>> better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
>>>>> Let's find more ways of saying "yes and" instead of "no, but".
>>>>>
>>>>> -Rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You didn't get it: the channel matters.
>>>>
>>>> If a blog from the Apache Foundation says "OpenOffice is not
>>>> dead" and a blog from TDF says "OpenOffice.org is dead",
>>>> well ... both can be wrong or right ...
>>>>
>>>> OTOH, If the openoffice.org says "alive and kicking" the
>>>> message is way more credible.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So that is a "yes, and" statement. Yes, let's do the home page, and
>>> the other things as well, if we have volunteers to do them. They work
>>> together. Certainly the home page gets a lot of traffic, so it can
>>> reinforce a message.
>>>
>>>> This said ... I don't feel confident enough to modify the
>>>> main page: if I, for example, screw things up badly and
>>>> want to revert my changes, can I do that easily in
>>>> Apache CMS?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It may depend on whether you want to change only the main index.html
>>> page, or change the repeated page elements that appear on every page.
>>> Dave would know how far you can go without forcing a complete rebuild.
>>
>> We now use Server Side Includes and there are no longer any sledgehammer builds.
>>
>> I have a notion to make it easy to add news to the main page. The buttons are a current issue on the main page and the downloads.
>>
>> It is safe to change/update news stories using the Apache CMS Bookmarklet directly from www.openoffice.org. If you are not a committer then you can create a patch.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Pedro.
>>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
+1 to Pedro's point that the main end-user channel is crucially important.
In one way, it feels like there are two discussions in this sub-thread:
- Rob zeroing in on his infographic idea (and building at least a small
subset of good data on participant history). It will make a good blog
post and pointer for information on who's working here.
- Several other people believing that the main end-user facing
information source is probably the most important tool we have to deal
with either FUD, or just plain user interest.
Dave - do we have a "one stop shop" for pointers for committers who want
to work on the oo.o website? In particular for text only changes (i.e.
no graphics or style stuff), are there any gotchas on any of the main
parts of the site these days?
Personally, I agree with Pedro, and I'm far more interested in working
on the larger story of ensuring that end users understand the transition
from OOo -> AOO. Presuming I can free up some time next week I'd like
to do something about the quite annoying lack of obvious "Apache"
mentions all over the oo.o site.
- Shane
On 2012-03-12 5:49 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> On Mar 12, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Pedro Giffuni<pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> On 03/12/12 14:48, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni<pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
>>>>>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
>>>>>> level of its participants.
>>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
>>>>> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
>>>>> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
>>>>>
>>>> Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this. The
>>>> nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
>>>> agree to be accurate and positive. We don't need to agree on a
>>>> narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
>>>> better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
>>>> Let's find more ways of saying "yes and" instead of "no, but".
>>>>
>>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>> You didn't get it: the channel matters.
>>>
>>> If a blog from the Apache Foundation says "OpenOffice is not
>>> dead" and a blog from TDF says "OpenOffice.org is dead",
>>> well ... both can be wrong or right ...
>>>
>>> OTOH, If the openoffice.org says "alive and kicking" the
>>> message is way more credible.
>>>
>>
>> So that is a "yes, and" statement. Yes, let's do the home page, and
>> the other things as well, if we have volunteers to do them. They work
>> together. Certainly the home page gets a lot of traffic, so it can
>> reinforce a message.
>>
>>> This said ... I don't feel confident enough to modify the
>>> main page: if I, for example, screw things up badly and
>>> want to revert my changes, can I do that easily in
>>> Apache CMS?
>>>
>>
>> It may depend on whether you want to change only the main index.html
>> page, or change the repeated page elements that appear on every page.
>> Dave would know how far you can go without forcing a complete rebuild.
>
> We now use Server Side Includes and there are no longer any sledgehammer builds.
>
> I have a notion to make it easy to add news to the main page. The buttons are a current issue on the main page and the downloads.
>
> It is safe to change/update news stories using the Apache CMS Bookmarklet directly from www.openoffice.org. If you are not a committer then you can create a patch.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> Pedro.
>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Mar 12, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 03/12/12 14:48, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni<pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
>>>>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
>>>>> level of its participants.
>>>>>
>>>> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
>>>>
>>>> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
>>>> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
>>>> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
>>>>
>>> Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this. The
>>> nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
>>> agree to be accurate and positive. We don't need to agree on a
>>> narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
>>> better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
>>> Let's find more ways of saying "yes and" instead of "no, but".
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> You didn't get it: the channel matters.
>>
>> If a blog from the Apache Foundation says "OpenOffice is not
>> dead" and a blog from TDF says "OpenOffice.org is dead",
>> well ... both can be wrong or right ...
>>
>> OTOH, If the openoffice.org says "alive and kicking" the
>> message is way more credible.
>>
>
> So that is a "yes, and" statement. Yes, let's do the home page, and
> the other things as well, if we have volunteers to do them. They work
> together. Certainly the home page gets a lot of traffic, so it can
> reinforce a message.
>
>> This said ... I don't feel confident enough to modify the
>> main page: if I, for example, screw things up badly and
>> want to revert my changes, can I do that easily in
>> Apache CMS?
>>
>
> It may depend on whether you want to change only the main index.html
> page, or change the repeated page elements that appear on every page.
> Dave would know how far you can go without forcing a complete rebuild.
We now use Server Side Includes and there are no longer any sledgehammer builds.
I have a notion to make it easy to add news to the main page. The buttons are a current issue on the main page and the downloads.
It is safe to change/update news stories using the Apache CMS Bookmarklet directly from www.openoffice.org. If you are not a committer then you can create a patch.
Regards,
Dave
>
> -Rob
>
>> cheers,
>>
>> Pedro.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 03/12/12 14:48, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni<pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
>>>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
>>>> level of its participants.
>>>>
>>> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
>>>
>>> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
>>> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
>>> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
>>>
>> Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this. The
>> nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
>> agree to be accurate and positive. We don't need to agree on a
>> narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
>> better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
>> Let's find more ways of saying "yes and" instead of "no, but".
>>
>> -Rob
>
>
> You didn't get it: the channel matters.
>
> If a blog from the Apache Foundation says "OpenOffice is not
> dead" and a blog from TDF says "OpenOffice.org is dead",
> well ... both can be wrong or right ...
>
> OTOH, If the openoffice.org says "alive and kicking" the
> message is way more credible.
>
So that is a "yes, and" statement. Yes, let's do the home page, and
the other things as well, if we have volunteers to do them. They work
together. Certainly the home page gets a lot of traffic, so it can
reinforce a message.
> This said ... I don't feel confident enough to modify the
> main page: if I, for example, screw things up badly and
> want to revert my changes, can I do that easily in
> Apache CMS?
>
It may depend on whether you want to change only the main index.html
page, or change the repeated page elements that appear on every page.
Dave would know how far you can go without forcing a complete rebuild.
-Rob
> cheers,
>
> Pedro.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>.
On 03/12/12 14:48, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni<pf...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
>>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
>>> level of its participants.
>>>
>> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
>>
>> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
>> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
>> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
>>
> Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this. The
> nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
> agree to be accurate and positive. We don't need to agree on a
> narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
> better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
> Let's find more ways of saying "yes and" instead of "no, but".
>
> -Rob
You didn't get it: the channel matters.
If a blog from the Apache Foundation says "OpenOffice is not
dead" and a blog from TDF says "OpenOffice.org is dead",
well ... both can be wrong or right ...
OTOH, If the openoffice.org says "alive and kicking" the
message is way more credible.
This said ... I don't feel confident enough to modify the
main page: if I, for example, screw things up badly and
want to revert my changes, can I do that easily in
Apache CMS?
cheers,
Pedro.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
>> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
>> level of its participants.
>>
>
> FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
>
> I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
> when we have the one instrument that defines the true
> continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
>
Oh, I'm sure we all have our own preferred ways of doing this. The
nice thing is that they are not mutually exclusive. We only need to
agree to be accurate and positive. We don't need to agree on a
narrow set of specific communications. Some volunteers might work
better with HTML, others with YouTube videos, others with graphics.
Let's find more ways of saying "yes and" instead of "no, but".
-Rob
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Pedro Giffuni <pf...@apache.org>.
On 03/12/12 13:42, Rob Weir wrote:
>
> I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
> truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
> level of its participants.
>
FWIW, and just my humble opinion ...
I don't think we should spend time discussing such arguments
when we have the one instrument that defines the true
continuation of the project, namely www.openoffice.org .
Looking at the main webpage I see only a small notice that
the project is now hosted in the Apache Foundation but
otherwise it's the old page with out any new information.
I think we have to be more aggressive and we don't need
to wait for the release to do that. We can already use Drew's
Apache OpenOffice logo ... and how about a big sign
that says:
"This is the home of Apache OpenOffice(TM) and
OpenOffice.org(R), serving you the leading open office suite
since 1999."
By the way, also make use of the milestone page:
http://www.openoffice.org/about_us/milestones.html
If we don't make use of the official project channels, *then*
people will think the project is dead since 2004 !!
Pedro.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:24 PM, drew jensen <dr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 08:50 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
>> I jest,of course.
>>
>> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
>> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
>> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
>> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Not always - you don't always do the project a favor by arguing with
> each person saying something not 100% accurate.
>
I'm not suggesting we argue with anyone. I'm suggesting we make
truthful positive statements about this project and the experience
level of its participants.
>>
>> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
>> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
>> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
>> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
>> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
>> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>>
>> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on this.
>
> I would strongly advise to let the _code_ do the talking.
>
As someone said before, community over code. The code will speak,
certainly, but that doesn't prevent the community from speaking as
well. So long as we are accurate and truthful the messages we
reinforce each other. That is not a bad thing.
-Rob
> Best wishes,
>
> //drew
>
>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by drew jensen <dr...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, 2012-03-12 at 08:50 -0400, Rob Weir wrote:
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
Not always - you don't always do the project a favor by arguing with
each person saying something not 100% accurate.
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on this.
I would strongly advise to let the _code_ do the talking.
Best wishes,
//drew
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Roberto Salomon <ro...@gmail.com>.
The best response that can be given to such statements is a stable and
reliable binary release of Apache OpenOffice for as many platforms as
possible.
I like to think that AOO is not in a market-share competition with LO. Both
projects aim towards delivering a working, reliable office suite that can
be freely used and distributed. There is a relevant difference, however, in
licensing terms. AOO would cater to users that are more comfortable with
the Apache License than the GPL/LGPL user by LO.
As for my experience:
* User since StarOffice for OS/2 (yes, that was some time ago)
* Volunteer translator since OpenOffice.org 2
* Brazilian community co-lead with Claudio from 2002 to 2007
* Debated and promoted ODF within the Brazilian Federal Government since
2006 when I participated in a debate regarding Digital Text Documents with
Microsoft and Adobe at the Brazilian House of Representatives.
* Supplied training for public and private sector enterprises in Brasília
(Brazil) from 2004 to 2007
* Developed and supported OpenOffice.org deployments for public sector
clients in Brasília from 2004 to 2007
* Symphony and ODF evangelist and informal support at IBM's Brasilia Branch
office
Since 2007, I have been working at IBM but, with the exception of the last
bullet, all activities were prior to my employment and the migration of the
codebase to Apache.
2012/3/12 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on
> this.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
--
Roberto Salomon
http://notaslivres.webhop.net
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Herbert Duerr <hd...@apache.org>.
On 12.03.2012 13:50, Rob Weir wrote:
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice.
I've been working on it since 2000.
My specialties are i18n, text, graphics, platform integration,
algorithms, performance, debugging, keeping backward compatibility and
careful refactoring. These are incredibly huge topics by themselves, but
I'm not afraid to delve into other areas when it benefits the problem.
Herbert
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by tanli li <li...@gmail.com>.
Hi, I am from Symphony team. I take Symphony co-edit plugin development for
half a year from July,2010. And then I work on Symphony Document and
Spreadsheet development from April,2011 till now.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Jomar Silva <ho...@gmail.com>.
I don't know what you guys think about it, but showing some numbers about
ODF TC members contributing with the project can be useful too.
Best,
Jomar
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on
> this.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by xia zhao <li...@gmail.com>.
Hi Rober,
Form end of 2006, I worked for Symphony project as overall QE lead, so far
more than 5 years. When I joined Symphony team, the codebase of Symphony
was OOo 1.1 and when released Symphony 3.0.1 the code base had been changed
to OOo 3.1 plus some features migrated from OOo 3.2. etc.
I family with Presentation/Impress, then WordProcessor/Writer,
Spreadsheet/Calc. So does interoperability, stability and performance for
Symphony from QE view.
Lily
2012/3/12 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on
> this.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>.
On 3/12/12 5:19 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>
> On 12 Mar 2012, at 16:08, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>
>> On 3/12/12 4:34 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>>>
>>> Out of interest, where have you seen that statement from an authoritative source? The former community seems spread between the AOO project and LibreOffice to me, and all the comments I have seen (and made) occupy that reality.
>>>
>>
>> you can hear such statements all over ...
>>
>> Maybe not authoritative but at it happened at the official LibreOffice booth.
>>
>> A friend of mine visited the LibreOffice booth at the Cebit and asked why she should use LibreOffice. She was told that LibreOffice is the successor of OpenOffice and that OpenOffice doesn't longer exist. She told the guy, well I have heard about Apache OpenOffice and that IBM has joined this project as well. It seemed that she was using the words. The guy who ever it was, was not amused reacted very angry and told her Apache is trying something since 1 year and are not able to deliver something and if she want something from IBM the booth is there ... After this somewhat strange reaction the guy stopped talking to her.
>
> That doesn't sound good - any idea who was involved (you can e-mail me privately if you prefer)?
no sorry I can't say more, it's not known
>
>> I was at least surprised by this reaction and didn't understand it. Even if we are 2 projects we have or at least should have the same goal and that is to increase the eco system around ODF.
>
> Absolutely agree. It's clear that both projects are staffed by experienced people and have an equal claim to be carrying on the work of the former OpenOffice.org project, and neither has the exclusive claim to be the "continuation".
>
whereas I agree to the first part I disagree to the second part. But
please don't let us start a new discussion on this topic. We have enough
to do to keep OpenOffice running and to deliver our first release ;-)
Juergen
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>.
On 12 Mar 2012, at 16:08, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 3/12/12 4:34 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>>
>> Out of interest, where have you seen that statement from an authoritative source? The former community seems spread between the AOO project and LibreOffice to me, and all the comments I have seen (and made) occupy that reality.
>>
>
> you can hear such statements all over ...
>
> Maybe not authoritative but at it happened at the official LibreOffice booth.
>
> A friend of mine visited the LibreOffice booth at the Cebit and asked why she should use LibreOffice. She was told that LibreOffice is the successor of OpenOffice and that OpenOffice doesn't longer exist. She told the guy, well I have heard about Apache OpenOffice and that IBM has joined this project as well. It seemed that she was using the words. The guy who ever it was, was not amused reacted very angry and told her Apache is trying something since 1 year and are not able to deliver something and if she want something from IBM the booth is there ... After this somewhat strange reaction the guy stopped talking to her.
That doesn't sound good - any idea who was involved (you can e-mail me privately if you prefer)?
> I was at least surprised by this reaction and didn't understand it. Even if we are 2 projects we have or at least should have the same goal and that is to increase the eco system around ODF.
Absolutely agree. It's clear that both projects are staffed by experienced people and have an equal claim to be carrying on the work of the former OpenOffice.org project, and neither has the exclusive claim to be the "continuation".
S.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>.
On 3/12/12 4:34 PM, Simon Phipps wrote:
>
> On 12 Mar 2012, at 12:50, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> I jest,of course.
>>
>> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
>> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
>> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
>> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Out of interest, where have you seen that statement from an authoritative source? The former community seems spread between the AOO project and LibreOffice to me, and all the comments I have seen (and made) occupy that reality.
>
you can hear such statements all over ...
Maybe not authoritative but at it happened at the official LibreOffice
booth.
A friend of mine visited the LibreOffice booth at the Cebit and asked
why she should use LibreOffice. She was told that LibreOffice is the
successor of OpenOffice and that OpenOffice doesn't longer exist. She
told the guy, well I have heard about Apache OpenOffice and that IBM has
joined this project as well. It seemed that she was using the words. The
guy who ever it was, was not amused reacted very angry and told her
Apache is trying something since 1 year and are not able to deliver
something and if she want something from IBM the booth is there ...
After this somewhat strange reaction the guy stopped talking to her.
I was at least surprised by this reaction and didn't understand it. Even
if we are 2 projects we have or at least should have the same goal and
that is to increase the eco system around ODF.
Juergen
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Armin <Ar...@me.com>.
Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote:
> On 13 Mar 2012, at 15:37, Armin wrote:
>
>> Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote:
>>> On 12 Mar 2012, at 12:50, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>
>>>> I jest,of course.
>>>>
>>>> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
>>>> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
>>>> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
>>>> but how can we best refute that statement?
>>>
>>> Out of interest, where have you seen that statement from an authoritative
>>> source? The former community seems spread between the AOO project and
>>> LibreOffice to me, and all the comments I have seen (and made) occupy that reality.
>>
>> This is what was in the press, but... Just think about that 3/4 of the
>> developers (I write developers here by purpose) were Sun employees and none
>> of them changd over...
>
> I'm not clear on what you're saying, Armin? Are you saying you believe no
> former Sun developers are working on LibreOffice? There are actually a
> reasonable number of them working on it, about as many as are working on
> AOO. Both communities have experienced Hamburg developers involved,
> augmented by developers with experience from elsewhere.
Sorry, I was talking about the time of LO forking. At that time AFAIK it
was only one from the Sun team who had left Sun on his own and started to
work on LO for another company and seems deeply involved in the fork; still
the press was about 'nearly all' developers/forces moving over to LO.
Now there are indeed some more, esp after Oracle closing and freed forces
being hired by various parties supporting LO directly, so there are indeed
some of the core team working on it for some months now. The sad point is
that now indeed the main force behind OOo started doing something
completely different and a lot of knowhow is lost.
>
> S.
--
ALG
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Armin <Ar...@me.com>.
OOps, sorry for posting twice, I hit the send button too fast.
What I forgot: All this is the past and I'm proud to be part in a community
where I could read multiple times that the answer is in the code. A big +1
for that! I'm looking forward to interesting changes, Lets go :-)
>
> I'm not clear on what you're saying, Armin? Are you saying you believe no
> former Sun developers are working on LibreOffice? There are actually a
> reasonable number of them working on it, about as many as are working on
> AOO. Both communities have experienced Hamburg developers involved,
> augmented by developers with experience from elsewhere.
>
> S.
--
ALG
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Armin <Ar...@me.com> wrote:
> Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote:
>> On 12 Mar 2012, at 12:50, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>> I jest,of course.
>>>
>>> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
>>> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
>>> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
>>> but how can we best refute that statement?
>>
>> Out of interest, where have you seen that statement from an authoritative
>> source? The former community seems spread between the AOO project and
>> LibreOffice to me, and all the comments I have seen (and made) occupy that reality.
>
> This is what was in the press, but... Just think about that 3/4 of the
> developers (I write developers here by purpose) were Sun employees and none
> of them changd over...
>
They play other games with the numbers. For example, engineers who
worked on the Novell fork are now called "core" developers from
OpenOffice.org, but engineers who worked on the Symphony fork are not
counted at all. So by cherry picking who they count as a "core"
developer they can make up what ever number they want.
>>
>> S.
>
>
> --
> ALG
>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>.
On 13 Mar 2012, at 15:37, Armin wrote:
> Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote:
>> On 12 Mar 2012, at 12:50, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>>> I jest,of course.
>>>
>>> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
>>> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
>>> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
>>> but how can we best refute that statement?
>>
>> Out of interest, where have you seen that statement from an authoritative
>> source? The former community seems spread between the AOO project and
>> LibreOffice to me, and all the comments I have seen (and made) occupy that reality.
>
> This is what was in the press, but... Just think about that 3/4 of the
> developers (I write developers here by purpose) were Sun employees and none
> of them changd over...
I'm not clear on what you're saying, Armin? Are you saying you believe no former Sun developers are working on LibreOffice? There are actually a reasonable number of them working on it, about as many as are working on AOO. Both communities have experienced Hamburg developers involved, augmented by developers with experience from elsewhere.
S.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Armin <Ar...@me.com>.
Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote:
> On 12 Mar 2012, at 12:50, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> I jest,of course.
>>
>> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
>> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
>> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
>> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Out of interest, where have you seen that statement from an authoritative
> source? The former community seems spread between the AOO project and
> LibreOffice to me, and all the comments I have seen (and made) occupy that reality.
This is what was in the press, but... Just think about that 3/4 of the
developers (I write developers here by purpose) were Sun employees and none
of them changd over...
>
> S.
--
ALG
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:57:00 -0400
> Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Simon Phipps
>> <si...@webmink.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On 12 Mar 2012, at 15:38, Rob Weir wrote:
>> >
>> >> I'll decline your attempt to divert the conversation.
>> >
>> > It's far from it Rob. It's a polite and serious question.
>> > No-one I know doubts the experience of the former
>> > OpenOffice.org developers who joined this project, so I am
>> > rather surprised to see you asserting otherwise. Hence I'm
>> > respectfully asking where your assertion that:
>> >
>>
>> And that was my polite and serious response, Simon. I'm sorry
>> if you saw it otherwise.
>
> There have been a number of (ill-informed) posts to that effect
> on the User Forum, which I'm too busy to look up.
>
> I think Rob's overall point is good, that we need to emphasise the
> continuing OpenOffice.org experience and community available on
> the Apache project, without disrespect to the LibreOffice/TDF
> communities. We should mend fences; if that is not immediately
> possible, we shouldn't be erecting other barriers.
>
Exactly. Anyone can find a dozen examples of this if they spend 5
minutes in Google. It is not a challenge.
My intent is not an expose on the source of this FUD. I'm not accusing
anyone or any group. I just want to collect the facts and publish
them in some memorable form for reference.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
-Rob
> --
> Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:57:00 -0400
Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Simon Phipps
> <si...@webmink.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 12 Mar 2012, at 15:38, Rob Weir wrote:
> >
> >> I'll decline your attempt to divert the conversation.
> >
> > It's far from it Rob. It's a polite and serious question.
> > No-one I know doubts the experience of the former
> > OpenOffice.org developers who joined this project, so I am
> > rather surprised to see you asserting otherwise. Hence I'm
> > respectfully asking where your assertion that:
> >
>
> And that was my polite and serious response, Simon. I'm sorry
> if you saw it otherwise.
There have been a number of (ill-informed) posts to that effect
on the User Forum, which I'm too busy to look up.
I think Rob's overall point is good, that we need to emphasise the
continuing OpenOffice.org experience and community available on
the Apache project, without disrespect to the LibreOffice/TDF
communities. We should mend fences; if that is not immediately
possible, we shouldn't be erecting other barriers.
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 12 Mar 2012, at 15:38, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> I'll decline your attempt to divert the conversation.
>
> It's far from it Rob. It's a polite and serious question. No-one I know doubts the experience of the former OpenOffice.org developers who joined this project, so I am rather surprised to see you asserting otherwise. Hence I'm respectfully asking where your assertion that:
>
And that was my polite and serious response, Simon. I'm sorry if you
saw it otherwise.
-Rob
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>.
On 12 Mar 2012, at 15:38, Rob Weir wrote:
> I'll decline your attempt to divert the conversation.
It's far from it Rob. It's a polite and serious question. No-one I know doubts the experience of the former OpenOffice.org developers who joined this project, so I am rather surprised to see you asserting otherwise. Hence I'm respectfully asking where your assertion that:
>> there are some claiming that "all" of the
>> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
>> has zero experience with this code base.
comes from.
Thanks,
S.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com> wrote:
>
> On 12 Mar 2012, at 12:50, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> I jest,of course.
>>
>> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
>> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
>> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
>> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Out of interest, where have you seen that statement from an authoritative source? The former community seems spread between the AOO project and LibreOffice to me, and all the comments I have seen (and made) occupy that reality.
>
I'm trying to make this a positive statement about the deep experience
AOO members have with this code and this project. I'll decline your
attempt to divert the conversation.
-Rob
> S.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Simon Phipps <si...@webmink.com>.
On 12 Mar 2012, at 12:50, Rob Weir wrote:
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
Out of interest, where have you seen that statement from an authoritative source? The former community seems spread between the AOO project and LibreOffice to me, and all the comments I have seen (and made) occupy that reality.
S.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
I have been working with OpenOffice since early 2001, probably slightly
before the 1.0 release. Initially, as a beginning Linux devotee, this was
as a user only. I was actually using a "trial" version of StarOffice
*right* before OpenOffice came into existence.
After complaining about some aspects of the web site, I was asked to "help"
change/fix things. :}
And, so, I did. Primarily from that point on, I have contributed to web
development of the site, and to a lesser extent, fine tuning the download
efforts.
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on
> this.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"Follow your bliss."
-- attributed to Joseph Campbell
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On 12.03.2012 14:33, Oliver-Rainer Wittmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 12.03.2012 13:50, Rob Weir wrote:
>> I jest,of course.
>>
>> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
>> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
>> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
>> but how can we best refute that statement?
>>
>> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
>> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
>> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
>> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
>> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
>> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>>
>> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on this.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>
> my experience on Apache OpenOffice (former OpenOffice.org)
> - core developer since 2002 working full-time on the project.
> - attending former OpenOffice.org conferences (OOoCon) as a speaker since 2006.
> - Co-Lead of former sw.openoffice.org since 2009.
>
forgot to mention:
- since 2006 member of the OASIS ODF TC in order to drive ODF in its
standardization process.
Best regards, Oliver.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Oliver-Rainer Wittmann <or...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
On 12.03.2012 13:50, Rob Weir wrote:
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on this.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
my experience on Apache OpenOffice (former OpenOffice.org)
- core developer since 2002 working full-time on the project.
- attending former OpenOffice.org conferences (OOoCon) as a speaker since 2006.
- Co-Lead of former sw.openoffice.org since 2009.
Best regards, Oliver.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by eric b <er...@free.fr>.
Hi Rob,
Le 12 mars 12 à 13:50, Rob Weir a écrit :
> I jest,of course.
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base.
IMHO we should not spend too much of (our precious) time about that.
> I know this sounds crazy, but how can we best refute that statement?
As Tino Rachui teached me : the better answer is always the technical
answer. So let's produce our first release.
After all, we are OpenOffice.org, and we do a very good work !
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice.
(my personal problem is to find more time to contribute. I'm very
busy at work for the next two weeks :-/ )
> This could be in any capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation,
> marketing, forum volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work
> with related projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF,
> etc. as well. How many years were you doing this before the project
> came to Apache?
>
Disclaimer : everything I did was as simple volunteer, without being
paid, and you can take what you need in in the list.
2003 : first participation as simple contributor.
...
(some contributions between )
...
2011 : supporting Apache OpenOffice since the begining
The most important I learned in OpenOffice.org (code, tools and
everything) was with Philippe Lohmann, Pavel Janik, Oliver Braun,
Stephan Schaefer, Tino Rachui, Herbert Duerr and some other nice guys
help (apologies for the one I forgot).
As OpenOffice.org core dev (since 2005) :
- I participated to ~ 50 child workspaces (see : http://
wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Ericb ), OpenGL transitions on
Mac OS X, the Apple remote implementation (Mac OS X too), I hacked a
bit the packaging processn, contributed to the Impress annotation
mode (continued in OOo4Kids)
My most important concern with OOo4Kids is about performance issues
with poor old slow machines, without much of RAM
Other important contributions :
- Google SoC mentor since 2006, 4 times for OpenOffice.org (last was
for Go-Oo and EducOOo), I mentored more than 20 students, and trained
around 15 people who became OpenOffice.org Domain developers
(something equivalent in Apache OOo could be "Commiters") and I
promoted online courses "ClassRooms" about OOo core source code, and
everything around sharing the knowledge with developpers.
As the main developer of OOo4Kids and OOoLight ( Mac OS X, Linux,
Windows, 18 locales (recently Polish)), and ready to share my
knowledge with Apache OpenOffice people, I think I know a lot in OOo
surce code.
The part I know the most in OpenOffice.org source code are : sal,
solenv, vcl, framework, draw (shells and UI like slideshow),
Impress, svtools, sfx2, packaging process on all OS's). I can build
and work on all OS's, including portable version on Windows and Linux
ARM (armel and Debian armhf). My recent work in progress concerns
Writer and Draw shells (and more in fact).
Funny : I have no Java skills :-)
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an
> infographic on this.
No problem. Feel free to take what you consider interesting for your
paper :-)
Regards,
Eric
>
--
qɔᴉɹə
Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Armin <Ar...@me.com>.
Hi Rob,
just in short form from vacation:
- Working on OpenOffice/StarOffice since 1996 (StarDivision)
- Quickly got responsible for all DrawingLayer tasks, mainly in
Draw/Impress team
- Added e.g. the first 3D engine, made office flicker-free, safe repaints,
MVC-separation
- Responsible for Features and internal reworks in the graphic area in all
applications
- Responsible for main internal restructurings e.g. Primitives,
AntiAliasing, UI, Interaction redesign and better 3D
- Main author of fundamental graphic toolings as basegfx and drawinglayer
- Driver of ongoing fundamental core reworks in various areas, mainly
graphics (e.g. SVG import, mainly but not only for IP clearance). Expect
fundamental core functionality and stability reworks with aw080 which is in
progress on Apache OpenOffice.
Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on this.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
--
ALG
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Regina Henschel <rb...@t-online.de>.
Hi Rob,
Rob Weir schrieb:
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on this.
My contributions have always been in spare time, so they have not so
much quantity. But I'm involved since 2001.
- User Support, starting with staroffice newsgroups in usenet
- Coding in Calc (e.g. improve precision of functions), Chart and Draw
- QA, e.g. Chart2, printerpullpages, reportdesigner
- Documentation, e.g. German Wiki, Draw Guide
- review for Open Formula in ODF1.2
Kind regards
Regina
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by "O.Felka" <ol...@gmx.de>.
Am 12.03.2012 13:50, schrieb Rob Weir:
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on this.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
my experiences with OpenOffice.org and StarOffice
- 13 years of QA at StarDivision, Sun and Oracle
- QA for framework and installation
- automated VCL test runs ans analyses of results
- making release tests and approvals
Groetjes,
Olaf
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by chengjh <ch...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on
> this.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
Hi,
1.I am leader of Symphony Documents(OpenOffice.org sw) since 2007.
2.I am component owner of Symphony Presentations(OpenOffice.org sd) from
2003 to 2006...
3.Contributed code to OO community and topics to OO Conf since 2008...
--
Thanks...
Best Regards!
Jim Cheng (程建宏)
IBM Lotus Symphony Development
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Claudio Filho <fi...@gmail.com>.
Hi
2012/3/12 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>:
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
Rob, my data:
* I was lead of L10N of OOo for pt-BR between 2001 - 2007;
* I was NL lead of pt-BR 2002 - 2009;
* I sent the patchs for support to pt-BR in the code;
* I was marketing contact of OOo (under brand BrOffice because
trademarks problems over "OOo");
* Creator the BrOffice/OOo Maganize [1]
* Creator the BrOffice/OOo pt-BR community;
* Evangelist of ODF/OOo in Brazil and South America;
* I work in OOo since 2001 - break OOo/LibO;
* I participated in QA of OOo/LibO;
* one of founders of TDF.
[1]http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Magazine/pt-br#Baixe_as_edi.C3.A7.C3.B5es_da_antiga_Revista_BrOffice
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Yuri Dario <mc...@mclink.it>.
Hi,
I started working on OpenOffice source code in 2005, and I did the
porting to the OS/2 platform since then.
My knowledge is mostly related to low level os interfacing.
--
Bye,
Yuri Dario
/*
* OS/2 open source software
* http://web.os2power.com/yuri
* http://www.netlabs.org
*/
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com>.
"yes, and": +1
(BTW, very little personal experience with actually using OOo; my
various employers have used and supplied MSO. But strongly in favor
of bucking monopolies.)
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net> wrote:
> As said by several ones, let the code speak...
> As long as there is no release, it will be too easy to say: "look, there is
> nothing concrete yet after so many months of incubation".
>
If people were saying only that we had not made a release, then that
would be accurate and truthful and would not need rebutting. But they
are not saying that. They are saying things like, "all the main
developers left to Libre Office project" (an exact quotes). These
statements, if not rebutted, become the "accepted truth".
> What would be the metrics to measure all these figures? To compare with
> what?
A list of experienced project participants would be a good metric. I'd
compare it to "none" which is what people are saying we have now.
> How much energy put into this for what result?
>
My energy is my concern, not yours.
> The best answer IMHO is a stable release, focused on quality first.
> And with as less negative impact for users as possible (like what,
> extensions maybe?).
>
The FUD that is being spread, if it is not rebutted with facts, has an
impact on the project, now, today and tomorrow. It deters potential
project participants from joining. We are less successful developing
a release because of this FUD. Having negative statements said about
the project, widespread and frequent, is a problem.
We're not limited to telling the truth only on the day we make a release.
-Rob
> Hagar
>
>
> Le Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:50:13 -0400, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> a écrit :
>
>
>> I jest,of course.
>>
>> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
>> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
>> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
>> but how can we best refute that statement?
>>
>> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
>> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
>> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
>> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
>> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
>> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>>
>> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on
>> this.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Hagar Delest <ha...@laposte.net>.
As said by several ones, let the code speak...
As long as there is no release, it will be too easy to say: "look, there is nothing concrete yet after so many months of incubation".
What would be the metrics to measure all these figures? To compare with what?
How much energy put into this for what result?
The best answer IMHO is a stable release, focused on quality first.
And with as less negative impact for users as possible (like what, extensions maybe?).
Hagar
Le Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:50:13 -0400, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> a écrit :
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on this.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com>.
Having seen some of the other comments here, let me rephrase my position...
Current interest in OOo is by way of my employer using it as a
document-to-PDF-converter server. For this to work as a long-term
solution, OOo (and now in its home as AOO) needs to stay current with
the industry, both on the document end and on the Adobe-compatibility
end. Anything that helps that along is a Good Thing.
I've been a programmer for many years, but C++ isnt a strong point on my resume.
So. Technically oriented user with vested interest in seeing AOO make
steady progress, have regular updates and be responsive to user needs.
Don
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Donald Harbison <dp...@gmail.com>.
how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice.
* community member since 2005 (starting at OpenOffice.org conference in
Koper, Slovenia)
* IBM liaison manager for corporate sponsorship of OpenOffice.org community
since 2005
* Since 2005, ODF program director -- managing IBM support of ODF standards
development, adoption and ecosystem evangelism
* currently program managing IBM resource and corporate support of Apache
OpenOffice
* volunteer for AOO community development and communications
(from 1998 - 2003 I was a core member of the IBM software team in support
of Linux resulting in over 350 IBM middleware products supporting the
leading Linux distros, Red Hat and SuSE)
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Liu Da Li <wa...@gmail.com>.
I am from Symphony team, the Symphony ISV Enablement Team Lead.
In 2003, I am work as a tester in OpenStorm project which was based on
OpenOffice.org 1.4.
In 2007,the first symphony version be released, I lead the Symphony ISV
enablement team to promote Lotus Symphony on the market.
We training customers and bps on how to use Lotus Symphony, hot to build
solutions base on Symphony.
We provide articles about how to build symphony plugins, how to use
symphony in the enterprise.
We provide technical support to customers and bps when they meeting any
questions about symphony.
We help our customers and bps to merge their MS office solution to Symphony
base or Openoffice base.
We help our customers and bps to merge their Symphony plugins to openoffice
extensions.
在 2012年3月12日 下午8:50，Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>写道：
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on
> this.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Clarence GUO <cl...@gmail.com>.
Hi~ Rob,
I was working in Symphony project for 6 years as a developer. My area
focuses on chart2, sd, sc, also has some experience on svx, svtools, vcl,
and so on.
Thanks & Regards,
Clarence
2012/3/12 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on
> this.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by linyi li <li...@gmail.com>.
Hi Rob,
I am a new comer of Symphony and did test job nearly 4 months.
Now I am focus on automation test of AOO.
2012/3/12 Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on
> this.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
--
Best wishes.
Lynn
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Wolf Halton <wo...@gmail.com>.
I have been using Open Office since (I think) 2002 or 2003. I was a support
forum contributor since 2003. I was part of the meta-planning team; along
with Drew, Terry E, and the other Terry from Oz, who incubated the
Sun-server-based user support forums. I dropped into the background and
used Open Office 2.x to write a textbook in 2006.
Wolf Halton
http://sourcefreedom.com
On Apr 7, 2012 12:40 PM, "Andrea Pescetti" <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 12/03/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
>> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
>> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
>> volunteer, whatever.
>>
>
> The future is probably more important than the past but, if this helps in
> setting the record straight... I've been around since 2003 and I became
> "maintainer" of the Italian version in 2005. My experience is mostly in QA
> and localization (even though in this field Paolo Pozzan has been the main
> coordinator in the last years), and since 2010 I've maintained the Italian
> dictionary bundled with OpenOffice.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 12/03/2012 Rob Weir wrote:
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever.
The future is probably more important than the past but, if this helps
in setting the record straight... I've been around since 2003 and I
became "maintainer" of the Italian version in 2005. My experience is
mostly in QA and localization (even though in this field Paolo Pozzan
has been the main coordinator in the last years), and since 2010 I've
maintained the Italian dictionary bundled with OpenOffice.
Regards,
Andrea.
Re: Is any one here familiar with OpenOffice?
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@googlemail.com>.
On 3/12/12 1:50 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> I jest,of course.
>
> But seriously, there are some claiming that "all" of the
> OpenOffice.org project went over to LibreOffice and that the Apache
> has zero experience with this code base. I know this sounds crazy,
> but how can we best refute that statement?
>
> Here's my idea: Respond to this note and tell me how many years
> experience you have working with OpenOffice. This could be in any
> capacity, as a coder, tester, documentation, marketing, forum
> volunteer, whatever. Please count relevant work with related
> projects, such as Symphony, BSD ports, OOo4Kids, ODF, etc. as well.
> How many years were you doing this before the project came to Apache?
>
> If I get a good number of responses I'll put together an infographic on this.
>
- working on the code base as full-time developer since *1997*
(StarDivision)
- member of the OpenOffice.org project since the beginning
- former API project lead
- former Extension project lead
- member of the former Community Council since 2009
- driving the programmability story behind OOo
- responsible and the driving force behind the SDK since the beginning
of this product
- responsible and the driving force behind the OOo API Plugin for
NetBeans (in the past)
- spreading the knowledge around the OOo programmability features on
many many conferences all over the world (invitations are welcome ;-))
Juergen