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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org> on 2011/07/14 21:23:16 UTC
RE: Commiters list and the students
I'm delighted to see that you are submitting your iCLA.
Before we get too far ahead of ourselves, I want to point out that registration of an iCLA is a prerequisite for becoming a committer, but it is not sufficient. There must also be an invitation (which only Initial Committers have automatically) and a few others steps to establish the committer.
Finally, because we are talking about students, it may be necessary to be careful about submitting the work of others. (This may be a case where having registered an iCLA may be valuable whether or not a student becomes a committer in the time in which they are involved with the project.) I'm not sure how this works for minors.
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: eric b [mailto:eric.bachard@free.fr]
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:53
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Commiters list
Hi Dave,
Le 14 juil. 11 à 20:13, Dave Fisher a écrit :
>> I did. But I thought we could contribute with patches without sign
>> it.
>
> Yes, but if you do it that way you are not a Committer, not on the
> PPMC, and not on the Podling Status Page. Someone with Committer
> karma must commit your patches for you.
>
Yes, I got this point already.
>>
>>> Simply put, it's not about copyright, just about IP clearance and
>>> licensing. Both are important aspects of every software project.
>>> It's understandable that the ASF does not accept contributions
>>> where it is unclear if the contributor has the necessary rights
>>> for the contributed code.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, sure. IWe got students who would like to directly contribute
>> to OpenOffice.org, and I'll forward the info.
>
> Signing an ICLA is a requirement to be a Committer, but it is not
> the only requirement. The main requirement is merit earned by
> contributions to the existing project here. See http://
> community.apache.org/newcommitter.html
Ok. I did the first step, and I sent the signed ICLA (following the
instructions).
To be honest, IBM Symphony contribution and your explanation decided
me :)
>
> Initial Committers are a special case, the only merit required is
> signing up on the list.
>
> Your students will need to contribute via the method of submitting
> patches which will be evaluated and applied by Committers.
>
Usualy, we review the code twice, and test everything before to
commit for them, but in the current case, I think they could
contribute to the OOo build system directly and more, so I'll
advertise them about the ICLA.
Regards,
Eric Bachard
--
qɔᴉɹə
Education Project:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project
Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
Re: Commiters list and the students
Posted by Andy Brown <an...@the-martin-byrd.net>.
Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> Sorry, but this is a better thread:
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/%3CBANLkTi=gBok7Q0bCfVzwxh+FZTw-o=AKLg@mail.gmail.com%3E
>
I agree Dave. It was interesting watching this unfold and see how
things work. I stayed connected to the incubator-general list and glad
I did.
Andy
Re: Commiters list and the students
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Jul 14, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> On Jul 14, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>
>> I'm delighted to see that you are submitting your iCLA.
>>
>> Before we get too far ahead of ourselves, I want to point out that registration of an iCLA is a prerequisite for becoming a committer, but it is not sufficient. There must also be an invitation (which only Initial Committers have automatically) and a few others steps to establish the committer.
>>
>> Finally, because we are talking about students, it may be necessary to be careful about submitting the work of others. (This may be a case where having registered an iCLA may be valuable whether or not a student becomes a committer in the time in which they are involved with the project.) I'm not sure how this works for minors.
>
> It is long thread, but last month the INcubator debated and voted to retire what was essentially a student project in China - Bluesky. Some of the concerns and problems encountered may help you understand some of the special issues with students and the Apache model of open, community development.
>
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/%3C4E096B7E.8010905@apache.org%3E
Sorry, but this is a better thread:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/%3CBANLkTi=gBok7Q0bCfVzwxh+FZTw-o=AKLg@mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>
>>
>> - Dennis
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: eric b [mailto:eric.bachard@free.fr]
>> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:53
>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: Commiters list
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Le 14 juil. 11 à 20:13, Dave Fisher a écrit :
>>>> I did. But I thought we could contribute with patches without sign
>>>> it.
>>>
>>> Yes, but if you do it that way you are not a Committer, not on the
>>> PPMC, and not on the Podling Status Page. Someone with Committer
>>> karma must commit your patches for you.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I got this point already.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>> Simply put, it's not about copyright, just about IP clearance and
>>>>> licensing. Both are important aspects of every software project.
>>>>> It's understandable that the ASF does not accept contributions
>>>>> where it is unclear if the contributor has the necessary rights
>>>>> for the contributed code.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, sure. IWe got students who would like to directly contribute
>>>> to OpenOffice.org, and I'll forward the info.
>>>
>>> Signing an ICLA is a requirement to be a Committer, but it is not
>>> the only requirement. The main requirement is merit earned by
>>> contributions to the existing project here. See http://
>>> community.apache.org/newcommitter.html
>>
>> Ok. I did the first step, and I sent the signed ICLA (following the
>> instructions).
>>
>> To be honest, IBM Symphony contribution and your explanation decided
>> me :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Initial Committers are a special case, the only merit required is
>>> signing up on the list.
>>>
>>> Your students will need to contribute via the method of submitting
>>> patches which will be evaluated and applied by Committers.
>>>
>>
>> Usualy, we review the code twice, and test everything before to
>> commit for them, but in the current case, I think they could
>> contribute to the OOo build system directly and more, so I'll
>> advertise them about the ICLA.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Eric Bachard
>>
>> --
>> qɔᴉɹə
>> Education Project:
>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project
>> Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
>> L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
>> Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Commiters list and the students
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
On Jul 14, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> I'm delighted to see that you are submitting your iCLA.
>
> Before we get too far ahead of ourselves, I want to point out that registration of an iCLA is a prerequisite for becoming a committer, but it is not sufficient. There must also be an invitation (which only Initial Committers have automatically) and a few others steps to establish the committer.
>
> Finally, because we are talking about students, it may be necessary to be careful about submitting the work of others. (This may be a case where having registered an iCLA may be valuable whether or not a student becomes a committer in the time in which they are involved with the project.) I'm not sure how this works for minors.
It is long thread, but last month the INcubator debated and voted to retire what was essentially a student project in China - Bluesky. Some of the concerns and problems encountered may help you understand some of the special issues with students and the Apache model of open, community development.
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/%3C4E096B7E.8010905@apache.org%3E
Regards,
Dave
>
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: eric b [mailto:eric.bachard@free.fr]
> Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 11:53
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Commiters list
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Le 14 juil. 11 à 20:13, Dave Fisher a écrit :
>>> I did. But I thought we could contribute with patches without sign
>>> it.
>>
>> Yes, but if you do it that way you are not a Committer, not on the
>> PPMC, and not on the Podling Status Page. Someone with Committer
>> karma must commit your patches for you.
>>
>
> Yes, I got this point already.
>
>
>>>
>>>> Simply put, it's not about copyright, just about IP clearance and
>>>> licensing. Both are important aspects of every software project.
>>>> It's understandable that the ASF does not accept contributions
>>>> where it is unclear if the contributor has the necessary rights
>>>> for the contributed code.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, sure. IWe got students who would like to directly contribute
>>> to OpenOffice.org, and I'll forward the info.
>>
>> Signing an ICLA is a requirement to be a Committer, but it is not
>> the only requirement. The main requirement is merit earned by
>> contributions to the existing project here. See http://
>> community.apache.org/newcommitter.html
>
> Ok. I did the first step, and I sent the signed ICLA (following the
> instructions).
>
> To be honest, IBM Symphony contribution and your explanation decided
> me :)
>
>
>>
>> Initial Committers are a special case, the only merit required is
>> signing up on the list.
>>
>> Your students will need to contribute via the method of submitting
>> patches which will be evaluated and applied by Committers.
>>
>
> Usualy, we review the code twice, and test everything before to
> commit for them, but in the current case, I think they could
> contribute to the OOo build system directly and more, so I'll
> advertise them about the ICLA.
>
>
> Regards,
> Eric Bachard
>
> --
> qɔᴉɹə
> Education Project:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Education_Project
> Projet OOo4Kids : http://wiki.ooo4kids.org/index.php/Main_Page
> L'association EducOOo : http://www.educoo.org
> Blog : http://eric.bachard.org/news
>
>
>
>
>
>