RE: [Axis2] Java2WSDL?

[Tom Jordahl <to...@macromedia.com>]

You can't get anywhere near a 1.0 release (Beta or otherwise) without
Java2WSDL functionality, right?

Is anyone working on this?  WSDL 2.0 support would be a *huge* incentive
for non-Axis users to give Axis2 a try.  Of course you need Java2WSDL
because nobody knows how to write WSDL 2.0 yet...

Maybe WSO2 (Sanjiva's new company) will step up and do the WSDL 2.0
work? 
:-)

Tom Jordahl
Macromedia Server Development 

-----Original Message-----
From: jayachandra [mailto:jayachandra@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 12:34 PM
To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE][Axis2]Vote for Axis2 0.95

+1. But JIRA clean up is very much needed.

Guys! any update on Java2WSDL feature in Axis2. User handcoding a wsdl
is tough, at least if I were the user.

Jayachandra

On 8/3/05, Shahi, Ashutosh <As...@ca.com> wrote:
> +1
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ruchith Fernando [mailto:ruchith.fernando@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 9:36 AM
> To: axis-dev@ws.apache.org; Srinath Perera
> Subject: Re: [VOTE][Axis2]Vote for Axis2 0.95
> 
> +1
> 
> On 8/2/05, Srinath Perera <he...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi All;
> >
> > I would like to call for a vote to release Axis2 0.95. It is the
soap
> > encoding that is all left to do as a feature for Axis2-RC1.
> >
> > Basically I have clean up the Jira, we plan to announce the Axis2
0.95
> > once we tackle all the bug  prioritized as Major or higher.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Srinath
> >
> 
> 


-- 
-- Jaya

Re: [Axis2] Java2WSDL?

[Venkat Reddy <vr...@gmail.com>]

I feel that a fairly reliable WSDL2Java (or WSDL2Code) is a must for
1.0 release. The current implementation of our WSDL2Code was not
robust enough to handle a wsdl like amazan or paypal, when i checked
last time.

Also we don't seem to generate a JUnit testcase.

- venkat

On 8/4/05, Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk> wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 08:30 -0400, Tom Jordahl wrote:
> > Maybe WSO2 (Sanjiva's new company) will step up and do the WSDL 2.0
> > work?
> > :-)
> 
> Forgot to reply to this ..
> 
> We could but then we'd be overlapping with Woden. Unfortunately Woden is
> a bit slow off the block and its not clear they'll do a StAX thing right
> now. We could do Java2WSDL2 without Woden too of course. Maybe that's
> the right thing to go for now ..
> 
> But then we'd need WSDL22Java .. and for that we'd need Woden :(. Have
> to talk to those guys more and figure out a way to accelerate stuff.
> 
> Sanjiva.
> 
> 
> 
>

RE: [Axis2] Java2WSDL?

[Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>]

On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 08:30 -0400, Tom Jordahl wrote:
> Maybe WSO2 (Sanjiva's new company) will step up and do the WSDL 2.0
> work? 
> :-)

Forgot to reply to this .. 

We could but then we'd be overlapping with Woden. Unfortunately Woden is
a bit slow off the block and its not clear they'll do a StAX thing right
now. We could do Java2WSDL2 without Woden too of course. Maybe that's
the right thing to go for now ..

But then we'd need WSDL22Java .. and for that we'd need Woden :(. Have
to talk to those guys more and figure out a way to accelerate stuff.

Sanjiva.

Re: [Axis2] Java2WSDL?

[Ajith Ranabahu <aj...@gmail.com>]

Completely agreed. in the state we are in right now, we have to do some more 
work and perhaps several pre 1.0 releases :)

On 8/7/05, Venkat Reddy <vr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> +1 from me. That sounds more like arithmetic progression than a
> geometric one ;-)
> 
> - venkat
> 
> On 8/5/05, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > +1 from me
> >
> > -- dims
> >
> > On 8/5/05, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> > > I'm all for "release early / release often", but I think we might have
> > > jumped the gun a little with "0.9"... :) I agree with Jaya and others
> > > about first impressions and the power of the "1.0" number.
> > >
> > > How about we plan to call this next one "0.91" rather than "0.95" -
> > > which gives us nine more "early and often" releases if we need them
> > > before 1.0....?
> > >
> > > --Glen
> > >
> > > Ajith Ranabahu wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > > yep, no question about it. 1.0 is a very strong number indeed and 
> cutting
> > > > the 1.0 is no childs play. I guess the code needs to be a tested 
> more and
> > > > WSDS2Java definitley needs improvements.
> > > > The next release (the release we are planning now) is .95. It's more 
> of an
> > > > effort to go with "release often" part of the motto "Release early, 
> release
> > > > often" :)
> > > >
> > > > On 8/5/05, jayachandra <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>My sincere thought is... if the version 1.0 (such a darn powerful
> > > >>number that it is) is out, people already frame impressions about
> > > >>Axis2 in general. And if it's out without being solid enough, first
> > > >>impressions on Axis2 can be not so welcome ones. We will have to 
> face
> > > >>tough times advertising later its improved functionality, whenever
> > > >>that happens. As the saying goes 'we never get a second chance to 
> make
> > > >>a first impression'. This has been worrying me.
> > > >>
> > > >>Just a thought, though!
> > > >>Jayachandra
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Davanum Srinivas -http://blogs.cocoondev.org/dims/
> >
> 



-- 
Ajith Ranabahu

Re: [Axis2] Java2WSDL?

[Venkat Reddy <vr...@gmail.com>]

+1 from me. That sounds more like arithmetic progression than a
geometric one ;-)

- venkat

On 8/5/05, Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 from me
> 
> -- dims
> 
> On 8/5/05, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> > I'm all for "release early / release often", but I think we might have
> > jumped the gun a little with "0.9"... :)  I agree with Jaya and others
> > about first impressions and the power of the "1.0" number.
> >
> > How about we plan to call this next one "0.91" rather than "0.95" -
> > which gives us nine more "early and often" releases if we need them
> > before 1.0....?
> >
> > --Glen
> >
> > Ajith Ranabahu wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > yep, no question about it. 1.0 is a very strong number indeed and cutting
> > > the 1.0 is no childs play. I guess the code needs to be a tested more and
> > > WSDS2Java definitley needs improvements.
> > > The next release (the release we are planning now) is .95. It's more of an
> > > effort to go with "release often" part of the motto "Release early, release
> > > often" :)
> > >
> > > On 8/5/05, jayachandra <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >>My sincere thought is... if the version 1.0 (such a darn powerful
> > >>number that it is) is out, people already frame impressions about
> > >>Axis2 in general. And if it's out without being solid enough, first
> > >>impressions on Axis2 can be not so welcome ones. We will have to face
> > >>tough times advertising later its improved functionality, whenever
> > >>that happens. As the saying goes 'we never get a second chance to make
> > >>a first impression'. This has been worrying me.
> > >>
> > >>Just a thought, though!
> > >>Jayachandra
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> --
> Davanum Srinivas -http://blogs.cocoondev.org/dims/
>

Re: [Axis2] Java2WSDL?

[Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>]

+1 from me 

-- dims

On 8/5/05, Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com> wrote:
> I'm all for "release early / release often", but I think we might have
> jumped the gun a little with "0.9"... :)  I agree with Jaya and others
> about first impressions and the power of the "1.0" number.
> 
> How about we plan to call this next one "0.91" rather than "0.95" -
> which gives us nine more "early and often" releases if we need them
> before 1.0....?
> 
> --Glen
> 
> Ajith Ranabahu wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > yep, no question about it. 1.0 is a very strong number indeed and cutting
> > the 1.0 is no childs play. I guess the code needs to be a tested more and
> > WSDS2Java definitley needs improvements.
> > The next release (the release we are planning now) is .95. It's more of an
> > effort to go with "release often" part of the motto "Release early, release
> > often" :)
> >
> > On 8/5/05, jayachandra <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>My sincere thought is... if the version 1.0 (such a darn powerful
> >>number that it is) is out, people already frame impressions about
> >>Axis2 in general. And if it's out without being solid enough, first
> >>impressions on Axis2 can be not so welcome ones. We will have to face
> >>tough times advertising later its improved functionality, whenever
> >>that happens. As the saying goes 'we never get a second chance to make
> >>a first impression'. This has been worrying me.
> >>
> >>Just a thought, though!
> >>Jayachandra
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> 


-- 
Davanum Srinivas -http://blogs.cocoondev.org/dims/

Re: [Axis2] Java2WSDL?

[Glen Daniels <gl...@thoughtcraft.com>]

I'm all for "release early / release often", but I think we might have 
jumped the gun a little with "0.9"... :)  I agree with Jaya and others 
about first impressions and the power of the "1.0" number.

How about we plan to call this next one "0.91" rather than "0.95" - 
which gives us nine more "early and often" releases if we need them 
before 1.0....?

--Glen

Ajith Ranabahu wrote:
> Hi all,
> yep, no question about it. 1.0 is a very strong number indeed and cutting 
> the 1.0 is no childs play. I guess the code needs to be a tested more and 
> WSDS2Java definitley needs improvements. 
> The next release (the release we are planning now) is .95. It's more of an 
> effort to go with "release often" part of the motto "Release early, release 
> often" :)
> 
> On 8/5/05, jayachandra <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>My sincere thought is... if the version 1.0 (such a darn powerful
>>number that it is) is out, people already frame impressions about
>>Axis2 in general. And if it's out without being solid enough, first
>>impressions on Axis2 can be not so welcome ones. We will have to face
>>tough times advertising later its improved functionality, whenever
>>that happens. As the saying goes 'we never get a second chance to make
>>a first impression'. This has been worrying me.
>>
>>Just a thought, though!
>>Jayachandra
>>
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Axis2] Java2WSDL?

[Ajith Ranabahu <aj...@gmail.com>]

Hi all,
yep, no question about it. 1.0 is a very strong number indeed and cutting 
the 1.0 is no childs play. I guess the code needs to be a tested more and 
WSDS2Java definitley needs improvements. 
The next release (the release we are planning now) is .95. It's more of an 
effort to go with "release often" part of the motto "Release early, release 
often" :)

On 8/5/05, jayachandra <ja...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My sincere thought is... if the version 1.0 (such a darn powerful
> number that it is) is out, people already frame impressions about
> Axis2 in general. And if it's out without being solid enough, first
> impressions on Axis2 can be not so welcome ones. We will have to face
> tough times advertising later its improved functionality, whenever
> that happens. As the saying goes 'we never get a second chance to make
> a first impression'. This has been worrying me.
> 
> Just a thought, though!
> Jayachandra
> 


-- 
Ajith Ranabahu

Re: [Axis2] Java2WSDL?

[jayachandra <ja...@gmail.com>]

My sincere thought is... if the version 1.0 (such a darn powerful
number that it is) is out, people already frame impressions about
Axis2 in general. And if it's out without being solid enough, first
impressions on Axis2 can be not so welcome ones. We will have to face
tough times advertising later its improved functionality, whenever
that happens. As the saying goes 'we never get a second chance to make
a first impression'. This has been worrying me.

Just a thought, though!
Jayachandra

On 8/4/05, Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk> wrote:
> 
> And this is only a tactical proposal. Axis2 1.0 is not the end of the
> road .. we need to do far more work to make this beast really be good.
> 
> Sanjiva.
> 
> 
> 


-- 
-- Jaya

Re: [Axis2] Java2WSDL?

[Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>]

On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 09:05 -0400, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Sanjiva,
> 
> Java2WSDL means more that the commandline tool. It is used at runtime
> to generate WSDL from a composite of information from typemapping,
> deployment descriptors (maybe annotations) etc. Basically if we drop a
> POJO, we should be able to generate a wsdl for it at runtime. Yes,
> we'd have to let admins configure either wsdl1.1 or wsdl2.0 (or) set
> up an alternate url "?wsdl20" for wsdl2.0 and keep "?wsdl" for
> wsdl1.1.
> 
> Are you ruling this out for Axis2? 

Not at all.

Our deployment model calls for a WSDL to be in the .aar file. If its not
there, then its perfectly feasible for the deployment code to run
Axis1's Java2WSDL and generate one and then ?wsdl (and ?wsdl2 in the
future) can work just fine using that and augmenting it with binding and
port information.

Using Axis1's code at runtime means all the Axis1 stuff needs to be
around at runtime. What I prefer as a workaround is for the tool we're
doing to build an aar file to run Java2WSDL and to generate the WSDL
that way. Then we can fully support ?wsdl without having our own
Java2WSDL tool.

So what I'm suggesting is we do:
	Java -> WSDL -> WOM/ServiceDesc -> ?WSDL
instead of
	Java -> WOM/ServiceDesc -> ?WSDL
and doing this in the tool first rather than in the runtime.

And this is only a tactical proposal. Axis2 1.0 is not the end of the
road .. we need to do far more work to make this beast really be good. 

Sanjiva.

Re: [Axis2] Java2WSDL?

[Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>]

Sanjiva,

Java2WSDL means more that the commandline tool. It is used at runtime
to generate WSDL from a composite of information from typemapping,
deployment descriptors (maybe annotations) etc. Basically if we drop a
POJO, we should be able to generate a wsdl for it at runtime. Yes,
we'd have to let admins configure either wsdl1.1 or wsdl2.0 (or) set
up an alternate url "?wsdl20" for wsdl2.0 and keep "?wsdl" for
wsdl1.1.

Are you ruling this out for Axis2? 

-- dims

On 8/4/05, Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk> wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 08:30 -0400, Tom Jordahl wrote:
> > You can't get anywhere near a 1.0 release (Beta or otherwise) without
> > Java2WSDL functionality, right?
> >
> > Is anyone working on this?  WSDL 2.0 support would be a *huge* incentive
> > for non-Axis users to give Axis2 a try.  Of course you need Java2WSDL
> > because nobody knows how to write WSDL 2.0 yet...
> >
> > Maybe WSO2 (Sanjiva's new company) will step up and do the WSDL 2.0
> > work?
> > :-)
> 
> ;-)
> 
> But we have a great tool for that already!!!!!!
> 
> Its the Axis 1.x Java2WSDL tool ..
> 
> Is there any reason to re-write that for WSDL 1.1?? To support WSDL 2.0
> I'd rather see it being re-done (to not have to force another download)
> or we can look at some metadata stuff but for WSDL 1.1 we have the
> problem solved thanks to you and the other Axis1 contributors :).
> 
> Sanjiva.
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Davanum Srinivas -http://blogs.cocoondev.org/dims/

RE: [Axis2] Java2WSDL?

[Sanjiva Weerawarana <sa...@opensource.lk>]

On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 08:30 -0400, Tom Jordahl wrote:
> You can't get anywhere near a 1.0 release (Beta or otherwise) without
> Java2WSDL functionality, right?
> 
> Is anyone working on this?  WSDL 2.0 support would be a *huge* incentive
> for non-Axis users to give Axis2 a try.  Of course you need Java2WSDL
> because nobody knows how to write WSDL 2.0 yet...
> 
> Maybe WSO2 (Sanjiva's new company) will step up and do the WSDL 2.0
> work? 
> :-)

;-)

But we have a great tool for that already!!!!!!

Its the Axis 1.x Java2WSDL tool .. 

Is there any reason to re-write that for WSDL 1.1?? To support WSDL 2.0
I'd rather see it being re-done (to not have to force another download)
or we can look at some metadata stuff but for WSDL 1.1 we have the
problem solved thanks to you and the other Axis1 contributors :).

Sanjiva.