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Posted to user@vcl.apache.org by David Chan <da...@cybera.ca> on 2012/12/20 19:22:37 UTC
Useful VCL software for K-12
Hi everyone,
We are running a VCL pilot for a couple of post-secondaries here in
Alberta, Canada. We are trying to also engage a K-12 school district to
participate in the pilot, but are having a hard time finding a good use
case for them. That is, we are not sure what is a good candidate piece of
software to offer through VCL. Many of the schools use Google Drive and
other than that, they usually suggest Photoshop and various 3D programs
that don't run particularly well without graphics support.
What have other people offered to the K-12 sector through VCL? Do you have
any ideas on what might be useful for them? Any ideas and pointers would be
greatly appreciated!
Thanks,
--
David Chan
Cybera Inc. <http://www.cybera.ca>
Re: Useful VCL software for K-12
Posted by Henry Schaffer <he...@ncsu.edu>.
Video editing generally requires high speed connections between the
raw video and the editing cpu. Our folks like to do this on a Mac with
Firewire or better between the large disk drive and the cpu (they
usually use Final Cut Pro rather than Photoshop.) So if the raw video
is local to the user and the video editing is going on in the VCL/"in
the cloud" - there is a WAN connection via RDP between the disk drive
and the cpu which is an order or two of magnitude worse than the
desired speed.
However we've found that Flash animations play well over a good
Internet connection.
Note that picture editing isn't a problem since the manipulations take
place in the VCL cpu, and then only the result is sent back over RDP.
--henry schaffer
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM, David Chan <da...@cybera.ca> wrote:
> Awesome, thanks for the ideas! That will be very useful.
>
> Henry, as a follow-up question about Photoshop, what applications do your
> students typically use it for? Is it more basic operations like applying
> filters and picture editing or can it even handle things like working with
> 3D models and video editing?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> David Chan, Project Manager
> Cybera Inc.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Henry Schaffer <he...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Josh pointed out the more heavily used of the two programs, and that's
>> the one we started with. This summer we added Fathom, and use Vernier
>> Sensor probes to collect data which then will be analyzed with Fathom
>> also from Key.
>>
>> Fathom comes with *lots* of data, but we find that people (teachers
>> and students) respond very well to analyzing data which they
>> themselves have collected.
>>
>> Our project web site is
>> http://scaleupstem.ncsu.edu
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> --henry
>>
>> P.S. We find that Photoshop runs reasonably well via the VCL. The
>> problem we face is that Adobe is starting to ask very high license
>> fees for cloud delivery.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Thompson <jo...@ncsu.edu>
>> wrote:
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>> > David,
>> >
>> > Geometer's Sketchpad is used by many of the K-12 schools that utilize
>> > our (NCSU's) VCL system:
>> >
>> > http://www.keycurriculum.com/products/sketchpad
>> >
>> > Josh
>> >
>> > On Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:22:37 AM David Chan wrote:
>> >> Hi everyone,
>> >>
>> >> We are running a VCL pilot for a couple of post-secondaries here in
>> >> Alberta, Canada. We are trying to also engage a K-12 school district to
>> >> participate in the pilot, but are having a hard time finding a good use
>> >> case for them. That is, we are not sure what is a good candidate piece
>> >> of
>> >> software to offer through VCL. Many of the schools use Google Drive and
>> >> other than that, they usually suggest Photoshop and various 3D programs
>> >> that don't run particularly well without graphics support.
>> >>
>> >> What have other people offered to the K-12 sector through VCL? Do you
>> >> have
>> >> any ideas on what might be useful for them? Any ideas and pointers
>> >> would be
>> >> greatly appreciated!
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> --
>> >> David Chan
>> >> Cybera Inc. <http://www.cybera.ca>
>> > - --
>> > - -------------------------------
>> > Josh Thompson
>> > VCL Developer
>> > North Carolina State University
>> >
>> > my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu
>> >
>> > All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
>> > are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
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>
Re: Useful VCL software for K-12
Posted by David Chan <da...@cybera.ca>.
Awesome, thanks for the ideas! That will be very useful.
Henry, as a follow-up question about Photoshop, what applications do your
students typically use it for? Is it more basic operations like applying
filters and picture editing or can it even handle things like working with
3D models and video editing?
Thanks!
--
David Chan, Project Manager
Cybera Inc. <http://www.cybera.ca>
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Henry Schaffer <he...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> Josh pointed out the more heavily used of the two programs, and that's
> the one we started with. This summer we added Fathom, and use Vernier
> Sensor probes to collect data which then will be analyzed with Fathom
> also from Key.
>
> Fathom comes with *lots* of data, but we find that people (teachers
> and students) respond very well to analyzing data which they
> themselves have collected.
>
> Our project web site is
> http://scaleupstem.ncsu.edu
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> --henry
>
> P.S. We find that Photoshop runs reasonably well via the VCL. The
> problem we face is that Adobe is starting to ask very high license
> fees for cloud delivery.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Thompson <jo...@ncsu.edu>
> wrote:
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA1
> >
> > David,
> >
> > Geometer's Sketchpad is used by many of the K-12 schools that utilize
> > our (NCSU's) VCL system:
> >
> > http://www.keycurriculum.com/products/sketchpad
> >
> > Josh
> >
> > On Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:22:37 AM David Chan wrote:
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> We are running a VCL pilot for a couple of post-secondaries here in
> >> Alberta, Canada. We are trying to also engage a K-12 school district to
> >> participate in the pilot, but are having a hard time finding a good use
> >> case for them. That is, we are not sure what is a good candidate piece
> of
> >> software to offer through VCL. Many of the schools use Google Drive and
> >> other than that, they usually suggest Photoshop and various 3D programs
> >> that don't run particularly well without graphics support.
> >>
> >> What have other people offered to the K-12 sector through VCL? Do you
> have
> >> any ideas on what might be useful for them? Any ideas and pointers
> would be
> >> greatly appreciated!
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> --
> >> David Chan
> >> Cybera Inc. <http://www.cybera.ca>
> > - --
> > - -------------------------------
> > Josh Thompson
> > VCL Developer
> > North Carolina State University
> >
> > my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu
> >
> > All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
> > are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
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Re: Useful VCL software for K-12
Posted by Henry Schaffer <he...@ncsu.edu>.
Josh pointed out the more heavily used of the two programs, and that's
the one we started with. This summer we added Fathom, and use Vernier
Sensor probes to collect data which then will be analyzed with Fathom
also from Key.
Fathom comes with *lots* of data, but we find that people (teachers
and students) respond very well to analyzing data which they
themselves have collected.
Our project web site is
http://scaleupstem.ncsu.edu
Hope this helps.
--henry
P.S. We find that Photoshop runs reasonably well via the VCL. The
problem we face is that Adobe is starting to ask very high license
fees for cloud delivery.
On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Josh Thompson <jo...@ncsu.edu> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> David,
>
> Geometer's Sketchpad is used by many of the K-12 schools that utilize
> our (NCSU's) VCL system:
>
> http://www.keycurriculum.com/products/sketchpad
>
> Josh
>
> On Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:22:37 AM David Chan wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> We are running a VCL pilot for a couple of post-secondaries here in
>> Alberta, Canada. We are trying to also engage a K-12 school district to
>> participate in the pilot, but are having a hard time finding a good use
>> case for them. That is, we are not sure what is a good candidate piece of
>> software to offer through VCL. Many of the schools use Google Drive and
>> other than that, they usually suggest Photoshop and various 3D programs
>> that don't run particularly well without graphics support.
>>
>> What have other people offered to the K-12 sector through VCL? Do you have
>> any ideas on what might be useful for them? Any ideas and pointers would be
>> greatly appreciated!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> David Chan
>> Cybera Inc. <http://www.cybera.ca>
> - --
> - -------------------------------
> Josh Thompson
> VCL Developer
> North Carolina State University
>
> my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu
>
> All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
> are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
> Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
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Re: Useful VCL software for K-12
Posted by Josh Thompson <jo...@ncsu.edu>.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
David,
Geometer's Sketchpad is used by many of the K-12 schools that utilize
our (NCSU's) VCL system:
http://www.keycurriculum.com/products/sketchpad
Josh
On Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:22:37 AM David Chan wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> We are running a VCL pilot for a couple of post-secondaries here in
> Alberta, Canada. We are trying to also engage a K-12 school district to
> participate in the pilot, but are having a hard time finding a good use
> case for them. That is, we are not sure what is a good candidate piece of
> software to offer through VCL. Many of the schools use Google Drive and
> other than that, they usually suggest Photoshop and various 3D programs
> that don't run particularly well without graphics support.
>
> What have other people offered to the K-12 sector through VCL? Do you have
> any ideas on what might be useful for them? Any ideas and pointers would be
> greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> --
> David Chan
> Cybera Inc. <http://www.cybera.ca>
- --
- -------------------------------
Josh Thompson
VCL Developer
North Carolina State University
my GPG/PGP key can be found at pgp.mit.edu
All electronic mail messages in connection with State business which
are sent to or received by this account are subject to the NC Public
Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties.
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