Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for development

[Micael <ca...@harbornet.com>]

I would strongly recommend that you use port 22 and secure ftp.  You can do 
anything you want to do through port 80.  You are serving at home, 
right?  Just provide yourself a management application for the whole 
environment.  Build a sleeper background servlet that initializes itself 
according to some property file, allowing two unrelated classloader 
configurations to cooperate with each other unknowingly, and you can do 
anything on your machine with port 80.  There are probably better ways to 
do this, but this is really simple and does all I want.  I also get lazy 
and use the batch file approach too.  There are lots of ways to do 
this.  If you want, you can use signed applets to do about anything 
too.  If you just provide yourself a way to write files, execute programs, 
and get the results over port 80, you have it sacked.  All those things are 
old news.

I once wrote an application that allowed the client to write any of the 
content part of their application dynamically and test it dynamically 
before publishing it.  The banner and navigation stayed the same, and they 
had their own navigation area to use as well.  It is still running, but 
they have made the content area so ugly I cannot stand it.

If you have any questions on how to do any part of this, send me your 
personal email address and I will be glad to share anything I know.

Micael

At 02:34 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote:
>oh.....well I was thinking about configuring openssh on my home server (port
>21) and controlling that one from here....
>
>I used to use PCAnyWhore, but since I installed my router/firewall at home,
>I cannot do that anymore.....any more suggestions?
>
>--
>James Mitchell
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Micael" <ca...@harbornet.com>
>To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
>Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:18 PM
>Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for
>development
>
>
> > Hi, James, okay, I will tell
> >
> > I do the whole thing with programs that allow me to write and to execute
> > scripts on a target machine over the web.  There isn't anything you cannot
> > do with product development that way.
> >
> > You can really do any kind of distributed programming you want through
>port
> > 80 and servlets.
> >
> > As a bit of an aside, a great deal of my programming is just two servlets
> > talking to each other from different websites where a graphic never
> > appears.  This, I assume, is fairly normal.  I am sort of self taught in
> > computing, coming from a background in mathematical logic, so I am not
> > completely aware of what is normal and what is not.  Certainly Jason
>Hunter
> > provides all the details needed to do this in his book on servlets.
> >
> > Are we on the same wave length?
> >
> > Micael
> >
> > At 02:04 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Do tell!
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >James Mitchell
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Micael" <ca...@harbornet.com>
> > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:29 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for
> > >development
> > >
> > >
> > > > If you have the time, you can set up an environment in which you can
>do
> > > > everything through port 80 that you want to do.
> > > >
> > > > At 01:11 PM 2/6/03 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like
> > > > > > environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing
> > >proprietary
> > > > > > development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with
> > >corporate
> > > > > > resources. :)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >Well, it won't matter if you are stuck behind a firewall that gives
>you
> > >port
> > > > >80 and 21 only!!!!
> > > > >
> > > > >If I seem a bit upset, I have just cause.  I hate having to wait till
>I
> > >get
> > > > >home before I can get anything really important done.
> > > > >
> > > > >--
> > > > >James Mitchell
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Tony Baity" <to...@yahoo.com>
> > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List" <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:56 PM
> > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server for
> > > > >development
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For those folks that have a little extra personal time to spare...
>and
> > >a
> > > > >laptop... and a way to transfer files from your work PC to your
> > >laptop....
> > > > >Then freedom is just around the corner.
> > > > > > In the last year, I was cut loose from a very strictly controlled
> > > > >environment where the developers had to wait months while upper
> > >management
> > > > >tried to squeeze App Server and IDE Vendors down to lower and lower
> > >prices
> > > > >before someone finally would make a decision a buy something. So I
> > > > >understand the choking affect of code development decisions that are
> > >routed
> > > > >through the accounting department and upper management. But with Java
>and
> > > > >current open source efforts, anyone should be able to start
>development
> > >or
> > > > >work from home using open source and migrate over to vendor supplied
> > > > >products later.
> > > > > > I am now a consultant and have become used to carrying a laptop
> > >around. In
> > > > >fact, due to a recent client's development environment issues, I did
>the
> > > > >first month's development completely on the laptop and shared files
>at
> > >work
> > > > >through a network drive. The only problem I had was converting an
>Oracle
> > > > >schema to Pointbase (don't laugh... it got me through unit testing)
> > > > > > Recently, I have been wondering if there are any sourceforge like
> > > > >environments that can be used on a temporary basis for doing
>proprietary
> > > > >development. Ya know... to sort of get around roadblocks with
>corporate
> > > > >resources. :)
> > > > > > -Tony
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  Mark Galbreath <ma...@qat.com> wrote:You read into it
>what
> > >you
> > > > >will, but the topic was software innovation in
> > > > > > corporate America. I was making an extreme point. If this offends
>you,
> > > > > > perhaps you take yourself too seriously.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mark
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: David Graham [mailto:dgraham1980@hotmail.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:13 PM
> > > > > > To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
> > > > > > Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server
>for
> > > > > > development
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now we're onto Hitler? This is way too off topic even for posts
> > >designated
> > > > > > [OT].
> > > > > >
> > > > > > David
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "Mark Galbreath"
> > > > > > >Reply-To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > > > > >To: "'Struts Users Mailing List'"
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server
>for
> > > > > > >development
> > > > > > >Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:44:27 -0500
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >That is way too simplistic, dude. Creativity is the catalyst for
> > > > > > >innovation. Stifle developers' ability to be creative and you
>lose
> > > > > > >innovation. American innovation have been so great over the
>centuries
> > > > > > >because business owners realized the value in R&D and being the
>first
> > > > > > >to patent a new innovation. That's what drove productivity and
> > >profits
> > > > > > >from the invention of the power loom to the cotton gin,
> > >interchangeable
> > > > > > >parts, Taylorism (scientific management), robotics, and software.
> > >What
> > > > > > >Simon is talking about are companies (or divisions) run by
> > > > > > >short-sighted people interested more often than not with their
> > > > > > >immediate personal welfare and/or the blind enforcement of a
> > > > > > >theoretical policy. Even a fascist pig like Hitler was
>responsible
> > >for
> > > > > > >the most innovative advances in weaponry in a 100 years not
>because
> > >he
> > > > > > >dictated policy, but because he gave his scientists freedom to
> > > > > > >innovate.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Mark
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > >From: Michael C. Lee Jr. [mailto:mleejr@hotmail.com]
> > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 11:21 AM
> > > > > > >To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [OT] how do people work in project with one server
>for
> > > > > > >development
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >I'm sorry, I have to repond to this communist drivel.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >"Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at
>home,
> > >it
> > > > > > >will
> > > > > > >not be required at the office." No, that is your
>company...Landsend
> > >by
> > > > >the
> > > > > > >looks of it. And last I looked, Corporate America had more
> > >innovations
> > > > >per
> > > > > > >capita than Cuba or other similiar 'non-Corporate' countries.
> > >Landsend,
> > > > >and
> > > > > > >most other countries, want to make a profit. That is a motivating
> > >factor
> > > > >to
> > > > > > >innovate. Michael Lee
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > >From: "Chappell, Simon P"
> > > > > > >To: "Struts Users Mailing List"
> > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 8:17 AM
> > > > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server
>for
> > > > > > >development
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >As discussed in previous conversations, I am here for
> > > > > > >geographical/religious
> > > > > > >reasons and my employer is where you work if you're a programmer
>in
> > >this
> > > > > > >town. Many aspects of the company are good, but once in a while
>the
> > >stuff
> > > > > > >flowing downhill is crazier than usual.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > >From: Mark Galbreath [mailto:mark_galbreath@qat.com]
> > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:03 AM
> > > > > > > >To: 'Struts Users Mailing List'
> > > > > > > >Subject: RE: [OT] how do people work in project with one server
>for
> > > > > > > >development
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >That sucks! I would have to be desperate to work in such an
> > > > > > > >environment!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > >From: Chappell, Simon P [mailto:Simon.Chappell@landsend.com]
> > > > > > > >Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 10:57 AM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >If only it were that simple. Some of us get WAS handed down to
>us
> > > > > > > >from a being so far up the corporate ladder that it still has
>frost
> > > > > > > >on it. This same breather of rarified air, then also decides
>that
> > > > > > > >once you're using WAS,
> > > > > > > >you should naturally use WSAD for your IDE. Oh ... and they're
> > > > > > > >going to lock
> > > > > > > >down workstations, so that you can't install free stuff on
>there to
> > >use
> > > > > > > >instead.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Welcome to Corporate America. Please leave your innovation at
>home,
> > > > > > > >it will not be required at the office.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Simon
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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