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Posted to java-user@axis.apache.org by Martin Smith <mf...@erols.com> on 2003/01/02 01:03:18 UTC
DSML activity?
Does Axis know about DSMLv2? Does it recognize BatchRequests, etc?
Serialize and de-serialize to corresponding JNDI objects? Is anyone
planning to do this?
I'm trying to make a web service from an existing LDAP directory, and
between the Sun DSMLv2 JNDI provider and the Axis handlers I thought it
might be mostly out-of-the-box.
TIA,
Martin
Re: DSML activity?
Posted by Martin Smith <mf...@erols.com>.
Anne--Sounds like a lead I need to check on. Just what I was trolling
for: the possibility that "it's been done"!
Thanks again, and I'll report back on progress . . .
Martin
PS--I'm not thinking of abandoning Axis. This is just one rather
specialized W-S project!
Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
>Not to disuade you from using Axis, but you might consider using either GLUE
>or WASP, both of which provide better support for doc/literal than Axis
>does. You wouldn't need to worry about building a custom serializer. Given a
>full schema, they will generate all the serializer code you need. Both of
>these products are available for free, and both run in Tomcat.
>
>I know that WASP includes a SOAP JNDI provider, although I doubt if it
>supports DSML. (I think it only supports a JNDI lookup function.) It's part
>of the EJB integration tool. You might find it helpful in your efforts. See
>http://www.systinet.com/doc/wasp_jserver/applicationIntegration/j2eeIntegrat
>ion.html#j2eeIntegration.overview
>
>I would hope that Sun's DSML provider would do most of what you need,
>though.
>
>Good luck.
>
RE: DSML activity?
Posted by Anne Thomas Manes <an...@manes.net>.
You might find the GLUE schema2java tool useful.
One other tool that you might want to try is Cape Clear Studio. It includes
a visual XML to Java mapping tool that generates serialization routines.
It's particularly nice if you need to map between pre-existing XML schemas
and Java objects.
Axis uses SAX, so that shouldn't be a problem.
Anne
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Smith [mailto:mfsmith@erols.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 2:25 AM
> To: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: DSML activity?
>
>
> Anne--
>
> Well, here's some more info. I actually had a message from a TME (GLUE)
> person, expressing interest in my project, so we'll see about
> pursuing that.
>
> I've also read once through the Sun DSMLv2 provider docs. Tantalizing.
> Everything is there for a client to a "DSMLv2 server", but I'm trying
> to BE the DSMLv2 server, and the reverse operations (i.e., generate a
> DOM doc with WSDL schema from JNDI objects like Context) don't seem to
> be there. No replies from the Sun shepherds of the JNDI-INTEREST list.
>
> I also just finished reading the very long & informative thread on
> axis-user on document vs RPC styles. Whew!
>
> So the current working hypothesis is to use the Sun providers to
> generate a String version of a DSML response (a BatchResponse element)
> and give that to Axis, somehow generating a doc/literal SOAP body that
> refers to the DSML schema. Still need to get the incoming BatchRequest
> document deserialized into a BatchRequest object. I don't suppose
> WSDL2Java will do that for me? What do you think of this approach? (Is
> this that "mentoring" phenomenon somebody postulated?)
>
> And another thing . . . Some of these directory search responses will be
> pretty long. Is Axis somehow going to figure out how to do stream
> parsing (SAX?) on them? That would seem to be magic.
>
> Next steps: actually try using some of the Axis and Sun tools.
>
> Martin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
>
> >I think I mentioned that I didn't think that WASP supported
> DSML. WASP will
> >fully generate all the mappings between XML and Java objects for you,
> >though, whether you are using rpc or document. (and if you like to use an
> >IDE, you might try WASP Developer (for NetBeans, Eclipse, and
> JBuilder). I
> >believe that GLUE does document style XML/Java mapping equally well.
> >
> >But as I said before ... if the Sun provider does it for you, go with it.
> >
> >Anne
> >
>
>
Re: DSML activity?
Posted by Martin Smith <mf...@erols.com>.
Anne--
Well, here's some more info. I actually had a message from a TME (GLUE)
person, expressing interest in my project, so we'll see about pursuing that.
I've also read once through the Sun DSMLv2 provider docs. Tantalizing.
Everything is there for a client to a "DSMLv2 server", but I'm trying
to BE the DSMLv2 server, and the reverse operations (i.e., generate a
DOM doc with WSDL schema from JNDI objects like Context) don't seem to
be there. No replies from the Sun shepherds of the JNDI-INTEREST list.
I also just finished reading the very long & informative thread on
axis-user on document vs RPC styles. Whew!
So the current working hypothesis is to use the Sun providers to
generate a String version of a DSML response (a BatchResponse element)
and give that to Axis, somehow generating a doc/literal SOAP body that
refers to the DSML schema. Still need to get the incoming BatchRequest
document deserialized into a BatchRequest object. I don't suppose
WSDL2Java will do that for me? What do you think of this approach? (Is
this that "mentoring" phenomenon somebody postulated?)
And another thing . . . Some of these directory search responses will be
pretty long. Is Axis somehow going to figure out how to do stream
parsing (SAX?) on them? That would seem to be magic.
Next steps: actually try using some of the Axis and Sun tools.
Martin
Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
>I think I mentioned that I didn't think that WASP supported DSML. WASP will
>fully generate all the mappings between XML and Java objects for you,
>though, whether you are using rpc or document. (and if you like to use an
>IDE, you might try WASP Developer (for NetBeans, Eclipse, and JBuilder). I
>believe that GLUE does document style XML/Java mapping equally well.
>
>But as I said before ... if the Sun provider does it for you, go with it.
>
>Anne
>
RE: DSML activity?
Posted by Anne Thomas Manes <an...@manes.net>.
I think I mentioned that I didn't think that WASP supported DSML. WASP will
fully generate all the mappings between XML and Java objects for you,
though, whether you are using rpc or document. (and if you like to use an
IDE, you might try WASP Developer (for NetBeans, Eclipse, and JBuilder). I
believe that GLUE does document style XML/Java mapping equally well.
But as I said before ... if the Sun provider does it for you, go with it.
Anne
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Smith [mailto:mfsmith@erols.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 12:51 PM
> To: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: DSML activity?
>
>
> Anne--
>
> OK, I've run around a bit and visited the WASP and GLUE sites. Pretty
> impressive looking, but no references to DSML at either site, including
> their developer forum archives. And I focused on the difference between
> document and RPC styles. Seems like using document style means more work
> in the app (Java class) to parse and extract the LDAP calls. But maybe
> when I get into the Sun provider that will be there, as you suggest.
>
> Film at 11 . .
>
> Martin
>
>
> Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
>
> >ot to disuade you from using Axis, but you might consider using
> either GLUE
> >or WASP, both of which provide better support for doc/literal than Axis
> >does. You wouldn't need to worry about building a custom
> serializer. Given a
> >full schema, they will generate all the serializer code you need. Both of
> >these products are available for free, and both run in Tomcat.
> >
> >I know that WASP includes a SOAP JNDI provider, although I doubt if it
> >supports DSML. (I think it only supports a JNDI lookup
> function.) It's part
> >of the EJB integration tool. You might find it helpful in your
> efforts. See
> >http://www.systinet.com/doc/wasp_jserver/applicationIntegration/j
2eeIntegrat
>ion.html#j2eeIntegration.overview
>
>I would hope that Sun's DSML provider would do most of what you need,
>though.
>
>Good luck.
>
>
>
Re: DSML activity?
Posted by Martin Smith <mf...@erols.com>.
Anne--
OK, I've run around a bit and visited the WASP and GLUE sites. Pretty
impressive looking, but no references to DSML at either site, including
their developer forum archives. And I focused on the difference between
document and RPC styles. Seems like using document style means more work
in the app (Java class) to parse and extract the LDAP calls. But maybe
when I get into the Sun provider that will be there, as you suggest.
Film at 11 . .
Martin
Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
>ot to disuade you from using Axis, but you might consider using either GLUE
>or WASP, both of which provide better support for doc/literal than Axis
>does. You wouldn't need to worry about building a custom serializer. Given a
>full schema, they will generate all the serializer code you need. Both of
>these products are available for free, and both run in Tomcat.
>
>I know that WASP includes a SOAP JNDI provider, although I doubt if it
>supports DSML. (I think it only supports a JNDI lookup function.) It's part
>of the EJB integration tool. You might find it helpful in your efforts. See
>http://www.systinet.com/doc/wasp_jserver/applicationIntegration/j2eeIntegrat
>ion.html#j2eeIntegration.overview
>
>I would hope that Sun's DSML provider would do most of what you need,
>though.
>
>Good luck.
>
>
>
RE: DSML activity?
Posted by Anne Thomas Manes <an...@manes.net>.
Not to disuade you from using Axis, but you might consider using either GLUE
or WASP, both of which provide better support for doc/literal than Axis
does. You wouldn't need to worry about building a custom serializer. Given a
full schema, they will generate all the serializer code you need. Both of
these products are available for free, and both run in Tomcat.
I know that WASP includes a SOAP JNDI provider, although I doubt if it
supports DSML. (I think it only supports a JNDI lookup function.) It's part
of the EJB integration tool. You might find it helpful in your efforts. See
http://www.systinet.com/doc/wasp_jserver/applicationIntegration/j2eeIntegrat
ion.html#j2eeIntegration.overview
I would hope that Sun's DSML provider would do most of what you need,
though.
Good luck.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Smith [mailto:mfsmith@erols.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 11:29 PM
> To: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: DSML activity?
>
>
> Anne--
>
> I just did the download. It's not big. Not a lot of explanatory text
> that I've found yet, however; and the current (on-line) JNDI tutorial
> doesn't seem to cover DSML either.
>
> Here's a bit fuller statement of what I'm doing. My immediate interest
> is to provide a web-services entry point to an LDAP directory
> (specifically, directory.gov) , which is already accessible via browser
> (http) and LDAP.
>
> I thought first in terms of exposing methods (via SOAP) for all the
> common LDAP functions (starting with search) ; then I thought about how
> to represent the searchresults (java namingeumerations etc) in XML. Then
> I said "d'oh! that's probably been done!" So I checked up on DSML,
> which, in v2, does seem to do all that. I'm on Tomcat, so I checked on
> Axix for the SOAP engine. From what I've seen, I need my Java to provide
> Axis with a javabean or a simple type or array. A DSML BatchRequest or
> BatchResponse is not any of those, so I'm looking for the most painless
> way to serialize and deserialize between the DSML-defined structures and
> the corresponding Java JNDI objects (initialdircontext; searchresult,
> basicattributes, etc.) I'd prefer not to have to attempt an Axis custom
> serializer class (I'm not that skilled, and the docs are still "to
> come.") . I don't intend to write a W-S client at all (well, maybe as a
> demo): I'm just trying to add a WS port to provide a new way for
> whoever's interested to access the data in directory.gov.
>
> BTW, I have a post into jndi-interest list at Sun to see if the Sun
> engineers or others there will identify a "no-brainer" way to combine
> their stuff with axis. I probably will avoid doing any actual hard
> thinking until I hear (or don't hear) from them.
>
> Thanks again for the info & suggestions,
>
> Martin
>
>
> Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
>
> >Martin,
> >
> >Do you have a link to some documentation, or do I have to
> download it to see
> >the contents of the package?
> >
> >I just looked through the DSMLv2 spec. It defines a SOAP binding, but it
> >doesn't provide a WSDL portType or binding description (too bad). But it
> >does provide XML Schemas for all the messages. It's not too hard
> to create
> >the WSDL from that. Once you have a WSDL file, you ought to be
> able to just
> >generate your client proxy.
> >
> >DSML requires that you use document/literal mode.
> >
> >Anne
> >
>
>
Re: DSML activity?
Posted by Martin Smith <mf...@erols.com>.
Anne--
I just did the download. It's not big. Not a lot of explanatory text
that I've found yet, however; and the current (on-line) JNDI tutorial
doesn't seem to cover DSML either.
Here's a bit fuller statement of what I'm doing. My immediate interest
is to provide a web-services entry point to an LDAP directory
(specifically, directory.gov) , which is already accessible via browser
(http) and LDAP.
I thought first in terms of exposing methods (via SOAP) for all the
common LDAP functions (starting with search) ; then I thought about how
to represent the searchresults (java namingeumerations etc) in XML. Then
I said "d'oh! that's probably been done!" So I checked up on DSML,
which, in v2, does seem to do all that. I'm on Tomcat, so I checked on
Axix for the SOAP engine. From what I've seen, I need my Java to provide
Axis with a javabean or a simple type or array. A DSML BatchRequest or
BatchResponse is not any of those, so I'm looking for the most painless
way to serialize and deserialize between the DSML-defined structures and
the corresponding Java JNDI objects (initialdircontext; searchresult,
basicattributes, etc.) I'd prefer not to have to attempt an Axis custom
serializer class (I'm not that skilled, and the docs are still "to
come.") . I don't intend to write a W-S client at all (well, maybe as a
demo): I'm just trying to add a WS port to provide a new way for
whoever's interested to access the data in directory.gov.
BTW, I have a post into jndi-interest list at Sun to see if the Sun
engineers or others there will identify a "no-brainer" way to combine
their stuff with axis. I probably will avoid doing any actual hard
thinking until I hear (or don't hear) from them.
Thanks again for the info & suggestions,
Martin
Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
>Martin,
>
>Do you have a link to some documentation, or do I have to download it to see
>the contents of the package?
>
>I just looked through the DSMLv2 spec. It defines a SOAP binding, but it
>doesn't provide a WSDL portType or binding description (too bad). But it
>does provide XML Schemas for all the messages. It's not too hard to create
>the WSDL from that. Once you have a WSDL file, you ought to be able to just
>generate your client proxy.
>
>DSML requires that you use document/literal mode.
>
>Anne
>
RE: DSML activity?
Posted by Anne Thomas Manes <an...@manes.net>.
Martin,
Do you have a link to some documentation, or do I have to download it to see
the contents of the package?
I just looked through the DSMLv2 spec. It defines a SOAP binding, but it
doesn't provide a WSDL portType or binding description (too bad). But it
does provide XML Schemas for all the messages. It's not too hard to create
the WSDL from that. Once you have a WSDL file, you ought to be able to just
generate your client proxy.
DSML requires that you use document/literal mode.
Anne
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Smith [mailto:mfsmith@erols.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 9:32 PM
> To: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> Subject: Re: DSML activity?
>
>
> Anne--
>
> Here's the link to the Sun EA product:
> http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/earlyAccess/jndi/
>
> I'm just starting to look at the Sun provider docs, but haven't
> definitely got figured out whether they provide a ready-to-go SOAP
> message or not. Even if they do, I'm not sure how Axis would deal with
> that: it seems to be set up to do the serialization itself (but limited
> to basic types, arrays and javabeans unless you get into "custom"
> serializers.)
>
> Anyhow, just trying to see if the work has been done before I try to
> re-invent the wheel. (Plus I'm not a black-belt programmer anyhow <g>.)
>
> Let me know if you hear of something, will you?
>
> Martin
>
> Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
>
> >Axis is a SOAP implementation.
> >DSMLv2 defines an XML-based LDAP interface. The XML interface can be
> >implemented using a variety of XML protocols, including SOAP. You might
> >think of it as a standard SOAP interface definition for an LDAP
> directory.
> >
> >I'm not familiar with Sun's EA DSMLv2 provider. Does it provide a SOAP
> >interface? Does it supply you with a WSDL file? If so, you ought
> to be able
> >to generate an Axis client from the WSDL file.
> >
> >If it doesn't provide a SOAP interface, perhaps you'd like to
> volunteer to
> >build one.
> >
> >Anne
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Martin Smith [mailto:mfsmith@erols.com]
> >>Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 7:03 PM
> >>To: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> >>Subject: DSML activity?
> >>
> >>
> >>Does Axis know about DSMLv2? Does it recognize BatchRequests, etc?
> >> Serialize and de-serialize to corresponding JNDI objects? Is anyone
> >>planning to do this?
> >>
> >>I'm trying to make a web service from an existing LDAP directory, and
> >>between the Sun DSMLv2 JNDI provider and the Axis handlers I thought it
> >>might be mostly out-of-the-box.
> >>
> >>TIA,
> >>
> >>Martin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
Re: DSML activity?
Posted by Martin Smith <mf...@erols.com>.
Anne--
Here's the link to the Sun EA product:
http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/earlyAccess/jndi/
I'm just starting to look at the Sun provider docs, but haven't
definitely got figured out whether they provide a ready-to-go SOAP
message or not. Even if they do, I'm not sure how Axis would deal with
that: it seems to be set up to do the serialization itself (but limited
to basic types, arrays and javabeans unless you get into "custom"
serializers.)
Anyhow, just trying to see if the work has been done before I try to
re-invent the wheel. (Plus I'm not a black-belt programmer anyhow <g>.)
Let me know if you hear of something, will you?
Martin
Anne Thomas Manes wrote:
>Axis is a SOAP implementation.
>DSMLv2 defines an XML-based LDAP interface. The XML interface can be
>implemented using a variety of XML protocols, including SOAP. You might
>think of it as a standard SOAP interface definition for an LDAP directory.
>
>I'm not familiar with Sun's EA DSMLv2 provider. Does it provide a SOAP
>interface? Does it supply you with a WSDL file? If so, you ought to be able
>to generate an Axis client from the WSDL file.
>
>If it doesn't provide a SOAP interface, perhaps you'd like to volunteer to
>build one.
>
>Anne
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Martin Smith [mailto:mfsmith@erols.com]
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 7:03 PM
>>To: axis-user@xml.apache.org
>>Subject: DSML activity?
>>
>>
>>Does Axis know about DSMLv2? Does it recognize BatchRequests, etc?
>> Serialize and de-serialize to corresponding JNDI objects? Is anyone
>>planning to do this?
>>
>>I'm trying to make a web service from an existing LDAP directory, and
>>between the Sun DSMLv2 JNDI provider and the Axis handlers I thought it
>>might be mostly out-of-the-box.
>>
>>TIA,
>>
>>Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
RE: DSML activity?
Posted by Anne Thomas Manes <an...@manes.net>.
Axis is a SOAP implementation.
DSMLv2 defines an XML-based LDAP interface. The XML interface can be
implemented using a variety of XML protocols, including SOAP. You might
think of it as a standard SOAP interface definition for an LDAP directory.
I'm not familiar with Sun's EA DSMLv2 provider. Does it provide a SOAP
interface? Does it supply you with a WSDL file? If so, you ought to be able
to generate an Axis client from the WSDL file.
If it doesn't provide a SOAP interface, perhaps you'd like to volunteer to
build one.
Anne
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Smith [mailto:mfsmith@erols.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 7:03 PM
> To: axis-user@xml.apache.org
> Subject: DSML activity?
>
>
> Does Axis know about DSMLv2? Does it recognize BatchRequests, etc?
> Serialize and de-serialize to corresponding JNDI objects? Is anyone
> planning to do this?
>
> I'm trying to make a web service from an existing LDAP directory, and
> between the Sun DSMLv2 JNDI provider and the Axis handlers I thought it
> might be mostly out-of-the-box.
>
> TIA,
>
> Martin
>
>