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Posted to dev@harmony.apache.org by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com> on 2006/07/24 03:20:13 UTC
[general] App-driven Improvement
Now that we have a distribution of the VM + classlib in the JRE, we can
start encouraging people to try real applications and tell us what's
wrong. I'm guessing this will be an avalanche of useful information :)
Obviously, the ideal is getting both tests and patches, but I think
that's a lot to ask of casual users, and we will benefit greatly from
casual users trying their applications in their environments on our JRE
and reporting the results, even at a high level.
So, I created a new category in JIRA called
"App-Oriented Bug Reports"
which is intended for people to tell us what went wrong with their apps,
even if they can't quite identify why. I have some time on a plane
tomorrow, so I'll add a section to the website detailing the idea and
what we're looking for. I think we have a bit of this information in
the Wiki, so I hope to 'harvest' that too.
The idea is for users to report things to us, even if vague, and then
encourage anyone in the community to take those and hunt down the
problem in detail. As an example, I added HARMONY-956, which reports on
what appears to be broken classpath/classloader behavior, exhibited when
running ActiveMQ with the latest snapshot build. I've seen this with
other apps too, not just ActiveMQ
While I didn't chase it down, there should be enough information there
for someone to go and try to figure it out, and report back the real
exact problem (hopefully w/ a patch!)
I hope this will create a "virtuous cycle" of ever increasing
functionality as we fix important bugs reported by users with real
applications, as well as greater project participation as the
"app-oriented" bugs provide opportunities for contribution.
Anyway, I'm hoping this will be useful for us...
geir
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RE: [general] App-driven Improvement
Posted by Nathan Beyer <nb...@kc.rr.com>.
I think there's an underlying development assumption here. The JIRA issue
would just be a notification of an issue. The investigation and eventual fix
for the issue requires the creation of a regression test case to recreate
the scenario. Then when a fix is applied, this regression test will continue
to make sure that the issue is fixed.
-Nathan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geir Magnusson Jr [mailto:geir@pobox.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 7:09 AM
> To: harmony-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [general] App-driven Improvement
>
>
>
> Anton Luht wrote:
> > Good day,
> >
> > Are there any licensing limitations for those applications?
>
> No
>
> > Someone
> > can find a bug in an application licensed under GPL, then minimize it
> > to a test made of a couple of classes from that application and submit
> > it to JIRA. It's likely that such test can sneak in the test suite.
>
> We just have to be careful that we don't get the test code from a GPL-ed
> source, but simply independently get the bug to trigger.
>
> >
> > There's an option for an attachment to grant a license or mark as
> > non-licenseable, but as far as I understand, there's no such flag for
> > text and code in the issue body.
>
> We don't want anything like that in our codebase.
>
> geir
>
> >
>
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Re: [general] App-driven Improvement
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com>.
Anton Luht wrote:
> Good day,
>
> Are there any licensing limitations for those applications?
No
> Someone
> can find a bug in an application licensed under GPL, then minimize it
> to a test made of a couple of classes from that application and submit
> it to JIRA. It's likely that such test can sneak in the test suite.
We just have to be careful that we don't get the test code from a GPL-ed
source, but simply independently get the bug to trigger.
>
> There's an option for an attachment to grant a license or mark as
> non-licenseable, but as far as I understand, there's no such flag for
> text and code in the issue body.
We don't want anything like that in our codebase.
geir
>
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Re: [general] App-driven Improvement
Posted by Anton Luht <an...@gmail.com>.
Good day,
Are there any licensing limitations for those applications? Someone
can find a bug in an application licensed under GPL, then minimize it
to a test made of a couple of classes from that application and submit
it to JIRA. It's likely that such test can sneak in the test suite.
There's an option for an attachment to grant a license or mark as
non-licenseable, but as far as I understand, there's no such flag for
text and code in the issue body.
--
Regards,
Anton Luht,
Intel Middleware Products Division
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Re: [general] App-driven Improvement
Posted by Alex Blewitt <al...@gmail.com>.
On 24/07/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@pobox.com> wrote:
> Now that we have a distribution of the VM + classlib in the JRE, we can
> start encouraging people to try real applications and tell us what's
> wrong. I'm guessing this will be an avalanche of useful information :)
Good idea! Let's just hope it's not too successful :-)
Alex.
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