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Posted to users@httpd.apache.org by Larry <ra...@lmr.com> on 2006/12/18 02:53:28 UTC
[users@httpd] Permissions with Apache 2.2
Windows Xp Pro, SP2, Apache 2.2 - trying to setup a testing server on
my workstation. I keep getting 403 (permission) errors when using
virtual hosts. All sites are subdirectories of C:\Websites and all are
shared. Web Sharing is turned on in all sites. Window's host file
lists:
127.0.0.1 localhost
127.0.0.1 Websites
127.0.0.1 weather
etc.
vhosts are enabled in httpd.conf (uncommented) and setup correctly (I
think) in /Program Files/Apache Software
Foundation/Apache2.2/conf/extra/httpd-vhosts.conf:
<Directory C:/Websites>
Order Deny,Allow
Allow from all
</Directory>
<Directory"C:/Websites/Weather III">
Order Deny,Allow
Allow from all
</Directory>
etc.
<VirtualHost *:80>
DocumentRoot "C:/Websites"
ServerName localhost
</VirtualHost>
<VirtualHost *:80>
DocumentRoot "C:/Websites/Weather III"
ServerName weather
</VirtualHost>
etc.
I know it is looking in the correct directory, because the favicon is
displayed along with the 403 message. Anyone see what I am doing
wrong?
Thanks
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Larry
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache 1.3 on Windows stats
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Christian Toledo wrote:
>> Would anyone know where I can get some numbers on market coverage for
>> Apache?
>
> You can buy this specific level of detail from either securityspace or from
> netcraft, but the general adoption rate of 2.0/2.2 v.s. 1.3 should be enough
> to convince you. In the securityspace report, pay specific attention to what
> they call market theft/upgrades. The sub report (scroll to the bottom) lets
> you zoom in on very specific release versions.
>
> In apache 1.3, nobody turned off the version - in 2.0 and 2.2 it's very very
> commonplace to see "Apache" with no version. I consider the -vast- majority
> of 'unversioned' Apache servers are now 2.x, and the 1.3.37 numbers should
> support my contention.
To give you an illustration, look at 1.3.33 and 1.3.37...
http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200610/srvch.html?server=Apache&revision=Apache%2F1.3.33
http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200610/srvch.html?server=Apache&revision=Apache%2F1.3.37
You see primarilly ping-ponging between apache subversions of 1.3, some of this
is load balancing, some of it are hot spares, some of it is a bug or quirk or
simply grabbing an older tarball when rebuilding a box for a legit purpose.
In other words - it's mostly stasis. Compare to 2.2.2/2.2.3
http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200610/srvch.html?server=Apache&revision=Apache%2F2.2.2
http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200610/srvch.html?server=Apache&revision=Apache%2F2.2.3
Or even the legacy 2.0.54 and 2.0.59
http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200610/srvch.html?server=Apache&revision=Apache%2F2.0.54
http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200610/srvch.html?server=Apache&revision=Apache%2F2.0.59
You can of course dig deeper into more versions.
But the net impact is the same, there is stasis in the 1.3 area, folks who just
'aren't moving' because it just works, while 2.x continues to pick up steam.
http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/200610/index.html
FYI I don't trust their december data - something looks hokey. Not the numbers,
but the lack of them (lots of zeros).
I base my second assertion on this data...
http://www.securityspace.com/s_survey/data/man.200610/srvch.html?server=Apache&revision=Apache
those most actively changing things like their ServerTokens are those who have
activity deploying servers; those leaving things 'as is' are most likely to be
using other software. But after reviewing the data, the split is likely more
than 50% apache 2.x and less than 50% apache 1.3 but i'm having issues now
resolving this data to any greater precision.
Keep in mind; majority of 1.3 deployments are out-of-the-can distributions that
ship with redhat, osx and their ilk. Only the more modern RHES and OSX 10.5 are
coming with 2.x installed out of the box.
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache 1.3 on Windows stats
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Christian Toledo wrote:
> Would anyone know where I can get some numbers on market coverage for
> Apache? We run an Apache 1.3 on Win32 environment (a nightmare to
> support) and would like to know how popular is the Apache 2.x on Win32
> platform. Besides the warm & fuzzy feeling of recommending the superior
> Apache version, I would be curious to know if the numbers indicate
> Apache2.x/Win32 to be a more popular and perhaps better supported
> environment. Thanx.
First, the ASF no longer acknowledges Apache 1.3 whatsoever on threaded
architectures.
The threading support was a useful academic exercise, it certainly showed
the possibility of a rational approach to MPM (multi-process module) design.
So we are grateful for the patches. Heck, I invested somewhere around 1,000
hours of my own time on that support.
However, it's entirely useless to continue to run Apache 1.3 on Windows or
the old Novell port - unless you have an application which -cannot- be moved
to Apache 2.0 or 2.2. Today, the odds of that are nill...
...perhaps you have a module that doesn't support 2.0/2.2. All odds say that
the authors are gone if it was never ported to 2.0, so your hope of resolving
a problem down the road are zilch.
You can buy this specific level of detail from either securityspace or from
netcraft, but the general adoption rate of 2.0/2.2 v.s. 1.3 should be enough
to convince you. In the securityspace report, pay specific attention to what
they call market theft/upgrades. The sub report (scroll to the bottom) lets
you zoom in on very specific release versions.
In apache 1.3, nobody turned off the version - in 2.0 and 2.2 it's very very
commonplace to see "Apache" with no version. I consider the -vast- majority
of 'unversioned' Apache servers are now 2.x, and the 1.3.37 numbers should
support my contention.
Good luck in whichever directions you move next.
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[users@httpd] Apache 1.3 on Windows stats
Posted by Christian Toledo <ch...@webcollage.com>.
Would anyone know where I can get some numbers on market coverage for
Apache? We run an Apache 1.3 on Win32 environment (a nightmare to
support) and would like to know how popular is the Apache 2.x on Win32
platform. Besides the warm & fuzzy feeling of recommending the superior
Apache version, I would be curious to know if the numbers indicate
Apache2.x/Win32 to be a more popular and perhaps better supported
environment. Thanx.
Christian Toledo
Web Administrator
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Re: [users@httpd] Permissions with Apache 2.2
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On 12/18/06, Larry <ra...@lmr.com> wrote:
> Yes, I did, but the concept of separate included config files appears
> to be new in 2.2. In 1.3 and 2.0, virtual hosts were declared in one
> config file, while in 2.2 it appears to be in several. Knowing that
> position in the file is important with some parameters, I asked the
> question. Furthermore, you reference DirectoryIndex which I had
> simply overlooked, but my question was in regards to the Options
> directive.
Actually, there has been no real change in how config files work.
Since 1.3 it has always been up to you if you want to put everything
in one config or split it up using the Include directive.
Unfortunately, many distributors seem to be going towards dozens of
tiny little config files, which seems overly-complicated to me.
Joshua.
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Re: [users@httpd] Permissions with Apache 2.2
Posted by Larry <ra...@lmr.com>.
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 14:11:39 -0500, you wrote (with possible editing):
>On 12/18/06, Larry <ra...@lmr.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:12:01 -0500, you wrote (with possible editing):
>>
>> ...snip
>>
>> >> There is no favicon in GNWCA. Everything points to the options
>> >> directive, but that is copied from the tutorial.
>> >
>> >As you say, things are quite clear here. If you make a request for a
>> >directory, apache first checks the DirectoryIndex directive for files
>> >to search for in that directory (usually index.html). If it can't
>> >find any of those files, it will attempt to provide a directory
>> >listing. But if you Options directive for that directory doesn't
>> >include the "Indexes" option, then you will get a 403 error.
>> >
>> >More info here:
>> >http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/Recipes/DirectoryListings
>> >
>> >Joshua.
>>
>> Thanks, Joshua, apparently that was it. What threw me off was the
>> complaint about permissions - what it really meant was that the file
>> wasn't there.
>>
>> Where would you put the Options directive - in httpd.conf or under the
>> individual directory in httpd-vhosts.conf? And what form does it
>> take?
>
>Hmmm... Did you read the reference I sent above?
Yes, I did, but the concept of separate included config files appears
to be new in 2.2. In 1.3 and 2.0, virtual hosts were declared in one
config file, while in 2.2 it appears to be in several. Knowing that
position in the file is important with some parameters, I asked the
question. Furthermore, you reference DirectoryIndex which I had
simply overlooked, but my question was in regards to the Options
directive.
>It doesn't matter in particular where you put it, other than that it
>must apply to the appropriate <Directory>. Usually it is easiest to
>find a <Directory> section in your config file that already exists for
>the relevant area and add Indexes to the Options directive in that
>section (or add "Options +Indexes" if there is no existing Options
>directive).
Ok, that answers it. Thanks.
>
>Joshua.
>
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Re: [users@httpd] Permissions with Apache 2.2
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On 12/18/06, Larry <ra...@lmr.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:12:01 -0500, you wrote (with possible editing):
>
> ...snip
>
> >> There is no favicon in GNWCA. Everything points to the options
> >> directive, but that is copied from the tutorial.
> >
> >As you say, things are quite clear here. If you make a request for a
> >directory, apache first checks the DirectoryIndex directive for files
> >to search for in that directory (usually index.html). If it can't
> >find any of those files, it will attempt to provide a directory
> >listing. But if you Options directive for that directory doesn't
> >include the "Indexes" option, then you will get a 403 error.
> >
> >More info here:
> >http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/Recipes/DirectoryListings
> >
> >Joshua.
>
> Thanks, Joshua, apparently that was it. What threw me off was the
> complaint about permissions - what it really meant was that the file
> wasn't there.
>
> Where would you put the Options directive - in httpd.conf or under the
> individual directory in httpd-vhosts.conf? And what form does it
> take?
Hmmm... Did you read the reference I sent above?
It doesn't matter in particular where you put it, other than that it
must apply to the appropriate <Directory>. Usually it is easiest to
find a <Directory> section in your config file that already exists for
the relevant area and add Indexes to the Options directive in that
section (or add "Options +Indexes" if there is no existing Options
directive).
Joshua.
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Re: [users@httpd] Permissions with Apache 2.2
Posted by Larry <ra...@lmr.com>.
On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 10:12:01 -0500, you wrote (with possible editing):
...snip
>> There is no favicon in GNWCA. Everything points to the options
>> directive, but that is copied from the tutorial.
>
>As you say, things are quite clear here. If you make a request for a
>directory, apache first checks the DirectoryIndex directive for files
>to search for in that directory (usually index.html). If it can't
>find any of those files, it will attempt to provide a directory
>listing. But if you Options directive for that directory doesn't
>include the "Indexes" option, then you will get a 403 error.
>
>More info here:
>http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/Recipes/DirectoryListings
>
>Joshua.
Thanks, Joshua, apparently that was it. What threw me off was the
complaint about permissions - what it really meant was that the file
wasn't there.
Where would you put the Options directive - in httpd.conf or under the
individual directory in httpd-vhosts.conf? And what form does it
take?
Thanks again
--
Larry
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Re: [users@httpd] Permissions with Apache 2.2
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On 12/18/06, Larry <ra...@lmr.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:10:52 -0500, you wrote (with possible editing):
>
> >On 12/17/06, Larry <ra...@lmr.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I know it is looking in the correct directory, because the favicon is
> >> displayed along with the 403 message. Anyone see what I am doing
> >> wrong?
> >
> >Not telling us what's in the apache error log to start.
> Not sure how much of it you want, but here is a portion of it from
> yesterday:
Just the part that occurs at the same time as the request that
receives an error would have sufficed.
> [Sun Dec 17 11:53:56 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Directory index
> forbidden by Options directive: C:/Websites/Weather III/
> [Sun Dec 17 11:54:10 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Directory index
> forbidden by Options directive: C:/Websites/
> [Sun Dec 17 11:54:30 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Directory index
> forbidden by Options directive: C:/Websites/GNWCA/
> [Sun Dec 17 11:54:30 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not
> exist: C:/Websites/GNWCA/favicon.ico
>
> There is no favicon in GNWCA. Everything points to the options
> directive, but that is copied from the tutorial.
As you say, things are quite clear here. If you make a request for a
directory, apache first checks the DirectoryIndex directive for files
to search for in that directory (usually index.html). If it can't
find any of those files, it will attempt to provide a directory
listing. But if you Options directive for that directory doesn't
include the "Indexes" option, then you will get a 403 error.
More info here:
http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/Recipes/DirectoryListings
Joshua.
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Re: [users@httpd] Permissions with Apache 2.2
Posted by Larry <ra...@lmr.com>.
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006 22:10:52 -0500, you wrote (with possible editing):
>On 12/17/06, Larry <ra...@lmr.com> wrote:
>
>> I know it is looking in the correct directory, because the favicon is
>> displayed along with the 403 message. Anyone see what I am doing
>> wrong?
>
>Not telling us what's in the apache error log to start.
>
>Joshua.
Not sure how much of it you want, but here is a portion of it from
yesterday:
[Sun Dec 17 11:05:20 2006] [notice] Parent: Received restart signal --
Restarting the server.
[Sun Dec 17 11:05:20 2006] [notice] Child 4196: Exit event signaled.
Child process is ending.
[Sun Dec 17 11:05:20 2006] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Win32) configured --
resuming normal operations
[Sun Dec 17 11:05:20 2006] [notice] Server built: Jul 27 2006 16:49:49
[Sun Dec 17 11:05:20 2006] [notice] Parent: Created child process 564
Warning: DocumentRoot [C:/www/docs/dummy-host.LMR.COM] does not exist
Warning: DocumentRoot [C:/www/docs/dummy-host2.LMR.COM] does not exist
[Sun Dec 17 11:05:20 2006] [notice] Child 564: Child process is
running
[Sun Dec 17 11:05:21 2006] [notice] Child 4196: Released the start
mutex
[Sun Dec 17 11:05:21 2006] [notice] Child 564: Acquired the start
mutex.
[Sun Dec 17 11:05:21 2006] [notice] Child 564: Starting 250 worker
threads.
[Sun Dec 17 11:05:21 2006] [notice] Child 564: Starting thread to
listen on port 80.
[Sun Dec 17 11:05:22 2006] [notice] Child 4196: Waiting for 250 worker
threads to exit.
[Sun Dec 17 11:05:22 2006] [notice] Child 4196: All worker threads
have exited.
[Sun Dec 17 11:05:22 2006] [notice] Child 4196: Child process is
exiting
[Sun Dec 17 11:11:49 2006] [notice] Parent: Received shutdown signal
-- Shutting down the server.
[Sun Dec 17 11:11:49 2006] [notice] Child 564: Exit event signaled.
Child process is ending.
[Sun Dec 17 11:11:50 2006] [notice] Child 564: Released the start
mutex
[Sun Dec 17 11:11:51 2006] [notice] Child 564: Waiting for 250 worker
threads to exit.
[Sun Dec 17 11:11:51 2006] [notice] Child 564: All worker threads have
exited.
[Sun Dec 17 11:11:51 2006] [notice] Child 564: Child process is
exiting
[Sun Dec 17 11:11:51 2006] [notice] Parent: Child process exited
successfully.
[Sun Dec 17 11:13:49 2006] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Win32) configured --
resuming normal operations
[Sun Dec 17 11:13:49 2006] [notice] Server built: Jul 27 2006 16:49:49
[Sun Dec 17 11:13:49 2006] [notice] Parent: Created child process 5968
Warning: DocumentRoot [C:/www/docs/dummy-host.LMR.COM] does not exist
Warning: DocumentRoot [C:/www/docs/dummy-host2.LMR.COM] does not exist
[Sun Dec 17 11:13:49 2006] [notice] Child 5968: Child process is
running
[Sun Dec 17 11:13:49 2006] [notice] Child 5968: Acquired the start
mutex.
[Sun Dec 17 11:13:49 2006] [notice] Child 5968: Starting 250 worker
threads.
[Sun Dec 17 11:13:49 2006] [notice] Child 5968: Starting thread to
listen on port 80.
[Sun Dec 17 11:13:53 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Directory index
forbidden by Options directive: C:/Websites/
[Sun Dec 17 11:14:39 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Directory index
forbidden by Options directive: C:/Websites/Colebrook Development
Corp/
[Sun Dec 17 11:21:24 2006] [notice] Parent: Received restart signal --
Restarting the server.
[Sun Dec 17 11:21:24 2006] [notice] Child 5968: Exit event signaled.
Child process is ending.
[Sun Dec 17 11:21:24 2006] [warn] (OS 995)The I/O operation has been
aborted because of either a thread exit or an application request. :
winnt_accept: Asynchronous AcceptEx failed.
[Sun Dec 17 11:21:25 2006] [notice] Child 5968: Released the start
mutex
[Sun Dec 17 11:21:26 2006] [notice] Child 5968: Waiting for 250 worker
threads to exit.
[Sun Dec 17 11:21:26 2006] [notice] Child 5968: All worker threads
have exited.
[Sun Dec 17 11:21:26 2006] [notice] Child 5968: Child process is
exiting
[Sun Dec 17 11:23:18 2006] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Win32) configured --
resuming normal operations
[Sun Dec 17 11:23:18 2006] [notice] Server built: Jul 27 2006 16:49:49
[Sun Dec 17 11:23:18 2006] [notice] Parent: Created child process 2044
Warning: DocumentRoot [C:/www/docs/dummy-host.LMR.COM] does not exist
Warning: DocumentRoot [C:/www/docs/dummy-host2.LMR.COM] does not exist
[Sun Dec 17 11:23:19 2006] [notice] Child 2044: Child process is
running
[Sun Dec 17 11:23:19 2006] [notice] Child 2044: Acquired the start
mutex.
[Sun Dec 17 11:23:19 2006] [notice] Child 2044: Starting 250 worker
threads.
[Sun Dec 17 11:23:19 2006] [notice] Child 2044: Starting thread to
listen on port 80.
[Sun Dec 17 11:23:30 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Directory index
forbidden by Options directive: C:/Websites/Colebrook Development
Corp/
[Sun Dec 17 11:31:15 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Directory index
forbidden by Options directive: C:/Websites/Colebrook Development
Corp/
[Sun Dec 17 11:33:07 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Directory index
forbidden by Options directive: C:/Websites/Colebrook Development
Corp/
[Sun Dec 17 11:53:37 2006] [notice] Apache/2.2.3 (Win32) configured --
resuming normal operations
[Sun Dec 17 11:53:37 2006] [notice] Server built: Jul 27 2006 16:49:49
[Sun Dec 17 11:53:37 2006] [notice] Parent: Created child process 5484
Warning: DocumentRoot [C:/www/docs/dummy-host.LMR.COM] does not exist
Warning: DocumentRoot [C:/www/docs/dummy-host2.LMR.COM] does not exist
[Sun Dec 17 11:53:37 2006] [notice] Child 5484: Child process is
running
[Sun Dec 17 11:53:37 2006] [notice] Child 5484: Acquired the start
mutex.
[Sun Dec 17 11:53:37 2006] [notice] Child 5484: Starting 250 worker
threads.
[Sun Dec 17 11:53:37 2006] [notice] Child 5484: Starting thread to
listen on port 80.
[Sun Dec 17 11:53:56 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Directory index
forbidden by Options directive: C:/Websites/Weather III/
[Sun Dec 17 11:54:10 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Directory index
forbidden by Options directive: C:/Websites/
[Sun Dec 17 11:54:30 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] Directory index
forbidden by Options directive: C:/Websites/GNWCA/
[Sun Dec 17 11:54:30 2006] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not
exist: C:/Websites/GNWCA/favicon.ico
There is no favicon in GNWCA. Everything points to the options
directive, but that is copied from the tutorial.
--
Larry
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Re: [users@httpd] Permissions with Apache 2.2
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On 12/17/06, Larry <ra...@lmr.com> wrote:
> I know it is looking in the correct directory, because the favicon is
> displayed along with the 403 message. Anyone see what I am doing
> wrong?
Not telling us what's in the apache error log to start.
Joshua.
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