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[users@httpd] Apache port help
Hello, I am hosting my webpage on port 8080 so the address is
http://intranet:8080 and you have to type that to get to it. Well I
would just like it if my users just had to type http://intranet and
apache will do the rest. I have tried the Rewrite and Proxy but with no
luck. Could someone please help me out?
thanks
Tim Ford
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by "Anthony J. Biacco" <ab...@formatdynamics.com>.
Stupid question..why not just run it on port 80?
-Tony
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From: Tim Ford [mailto:tford@phmc.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:33 AM
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Subject: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Hello, I am hosting my webpage on port 8080 so the address is
http://intranet:8080 and you have to type that to get to it. Well I
would just like it if my users just had to type http://intranet and
apache will do the rest. I have tried the Rewrite and Proxy but with no
luck. Could someone please help me out?
thanks
Tim Ford
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by "Anthony J. Biacco" <ab...@formatdynamics.com>.
Oh, and if you go the separate ip route, make sure you change IIS so
that it doesn't listen on all IPs, just the main one.
-Tony
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From: Anthony J. Biacco [mailto:abiacco@formatdynamics.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:08 PM
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Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Since your port 80 server is IIS that's what you'll have to do the
redirection from. This becomes a question for an IIS forum/mailing list.
You should just bind a separate IP for intranet to the physical server,
resolve the intranet hostname to that IP, and then run apache on port 80
on that ip with: Listen x.x.x.x:80
-Tony
---------------------------
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From: Tim Ford [mailto:tford@phmc.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:03 PM
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Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
The url running on port 80 is http://chdb
Tim Ford
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From: Anthony J. Biacco [mailto:abiacco@formatdynamics.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:01 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
There is no way for http://intranet to go directly to the web server on
port 8080. You'd have to configure something on the web server on port
80 to forward to 8080
IN the port 80 web server, you could do a:
RedirectPermanent / http://intranet:8080
But then that kind of defeats the purpose of your port 80 web server,
unless you have other things like virtual hosts running on it. What's
the URL for the port 80 web server if the port 8080 one is
http://intranet:8080? Is it a different hostname in the url?
-Tony
---------------------------
Manager, IT Operations
Format Dynamics, Inc.
303-573-1800x27
abiacco@formatdynamics.com
http://www.formatdynamics.com
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From: Tim Ford [mailto:tford@phmc.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:53 AM
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Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Okay, the reason why its running on port 8080 is because I have another
webpage running on 80 on the same server.
Tim Ford
tford@phmc.org
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From: Evan Platt [mailto:evan@espphotography.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:45 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
At 10:33 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>Hello, I am hosting my webpage on port 8080 so the address is
>http://intranet:8080 and you have to type that to get to it. Well I
>would just like it if my users just had to type http://intranet and
>apache will do the rest. I have tried the Rewrite and Proxy but with no
>luck. Could someone please help me out?
So you have Apache running on port 80 and port 8080? Why not just use
port 80?
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by "Anthony J. Biacco" <ab...@formatdynamics.com>.
Since your port 80 server is IIS that's what you'll have to do the
redirection from. This becomes a question for an IIS forum/mailing list.
You should just bind a separate IP for intranet to the physical server,
resolve the intranet hostname to that IP, and then run apache on port 80
on that ip with: Listen x.x.x.x:80
-Tony
---------------------------
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Format Dynamics, Inc.
303-573-1800x27
abiacco@formatdynamics.com
http://www.formatdynamics.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ford [mailto:tford@phmc.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 12:03 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
The url running on port 80 is http://chdb
Tim Ford
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony J. Biacco [mailto:abiacco@formatdynamics.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:01 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
There is no way for http://intranet to go directly to the web server on
port 8080. You'd have to configure something on the web server on port
80 to forward to 8080
IN the port 80 web server, you could do a:
RedirectPermanent / http://intranet:8080
But then that kind of defeats the purpose of your port 80 web server,
unless you have other things like virtual hosts running on it. What's
the URL for the port 80 web server if the port 8080 one is
http://intranet:8080? Is it a different hostname in the url?
-Tony
---------------------------
Manager, IT Operations
Format Dynamics, Inc.
303-573-1800x27
abiacco@formatdynamics.com
http://www.formatdynamics.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ford [mailto:tford@phmc.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:53 AM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Okay, the reason why its running on port 8080 is because I have another
webpage running on 80 on the same server.
Tim Ford
tford@phmc.org
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From: Evan Platt [mailto:evan@espphotography.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:45 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
At 10:33 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>Hello, I am hosting my webpage on port 8080 so the address is
>http://intranet:8080 and you have to type that to get to it. Well I
>would just like it if my users just had to type http://intranet and
>apache will do the rest. I have tried the Rewrite and Proxy but with no
>luck. Could someone please help me out?
So you have Apache running on port 80 and port 8080? Why not just use
port 80?
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Tim Ford <tf...@phmc.org>.
The url running on port 80 is http://chdb
Tim Ford
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony J. Biacco [mailto:abiacco@formatdynamics.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:01 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
There is no way for http://intranet to go directly to the web server on
port 8080. You'd have to configure something on the web server on port
80 to forward to 8080
IN the port 80 web server, you could do a:
RedirectPermanent / http://intranet:8080
But then that kind of defeats the purpose of your port 80 web server,
unless you have other things like virtual hosts running on it. What's
the URL for the port 80 web server if the port 8080 one is
http://intranet:8080? Is it a different hostname in the url?
-Tony
---------------------------
Manager, IT Operations
Format Dynamics, Inc.
303-573-1800x27
abiacco@formatdynamics.com
http://www.formatdynamics.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ford [mailto:tford@phmc.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:53 AM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Okay, the reason why its running on port 8080 is because I have another
webpage running on 80 on the same server.
Tim Ford
tford@phmc.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Platt [mailto:evan@espphotography.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:45 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
At 10:33 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>Hello, I am hosting my webpage on port 8080 so the address is
>http://intranet:8080 and you have to type that to get to it. Well I
>would just like it if my users just had to type http://intranet and
>apache will do the rest. I have tried the Rewrite and Proxy but with no
>luck. Could someone please help me out?
So you have Apache running on port 80 and port 8080? Why not just use
port 80?
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by "Anthony J. Biacco" <ab...@formatdynamics.com>.
There is no way for http://intranet to go directly to the web server on
port 8080. You'd have to configure something on the web server on port
80 to forward to 8080
IN the port 80 web server, you could do a:
RedirectPermanent / http://intranet:8080
But then that kind of defeats the purpose of your port 80 web server,
unless you have other things like virtual hosts running on it. What's
the URL for the port 80 web server if the port 8080 one is
http://intranet:8080? Is it a different hostname in the url?
-Tony
---------------------------
Manager, IT Operations
Format Dynamics, Inc.
303-573-1800x27
abiacco@formatdynamics.com
http://www.formatdynamics.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Ford [mailto:tford@phmc.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:53 AM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Okay, the reason why its running on port 8080 is because I have another
webpage running on 80 on the same server.
Tim Ford
tford@phmc.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Platt [mailto:evan@espphotography.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:45 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
At 10:33 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>Hello, I am hosting my webpage on port 8080 so the address is
>http://intranet:8080 and you have to type that to get to it. Well I
>would just like it if my users just had to type http://intranet and
>apache will do the rest. I have tried the Rewrite and Proxy but with no
>luck. Could someone please help me out?
So you have Apache running on port 80 and port 8080? Why not just use
port 80?
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Evan Platt <ev...@espphotography.com>.
At 11:01 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>Yes I have IIS running on port 80 hosting another webpage on the same
>server that apache is installed on.
Then you'd need to have your index.html or whatever your default page
for IIS is redirect to your port 8080 page.
ie
<meta HTTP-EQUIV="REFRESH" content="0;
url=http://www.yourdomain.com:8080/index.html">
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Tim Ford <tf...@phmc.org>.
Yes I have IIS running on port 80 hosting another webpage on the same
server that apache is installed on.
Tim Ford
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From: Evan Platt [mailto:evan@espphotography.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:59 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
At 10:53 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>Okay, the reason why its running on port 8080 is because I have another
>webpage running on 80 on the same server.
By 'another web page' I'm assuming you mean another webserver?
So you'd need to look at whatever that webserver is, and perhaps a
HTML page with a redirect to http://yourwebserver.com:8080 ...
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Evan Platt <ev...@espphotography.com>.
At 10:53 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>Okay, the reason why its running on port 8080 is because I have another
>webpage running on 80 on the same server.
By 'another web page' I'm assuming you mean another webserver?
So you'd need to look at whatever that webserver is, and perhaps a
HTML page with a redirect to http://yourwebserver.com:8080 ...
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Tim Ford <tf...@phmc.org>.
Okay, the reason why its running on port 8080 is because I have another
webpage running on 80 on the same server.
Tim Ford
tford@phmc.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Platt [mailto:evan@espphotography.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:45 PM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
At 10:33 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>Hello, I am hosting my webpage on port 8080 so the address is
>http://intranet:8080 and you have to type that to get to it. Well I
>would just like it if my users just had to type http://intranet and
>apache will do the rest. I have tried the Rewrite and Proxy but with no
>luck. Could someone please help me out?
So you have Apache running on port 80 and port 8080? Why not just use
port 80?
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Evan Platt <ev...@espphotography.com>.
At 10:33 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>Hello, I am hosting my webpage on port 8080 so the address is
>http://intranet:8080 and you have to type that to get to it. Well I
>would just like it if my users just had to type http://intranet and
>apache will do the rest. I have tried the Rewrite and Proxy but with no
>luck. Could someone please help me out?
So you have Apache running on port 80 and port 8080? Why not just use port 80?
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Peter Schober <pe...@univie.ac.at>.
* Tim Ford <tf...@phmc.org> [2009-03-05 19:57]:
> Thanks, I have apache set to listen on port 8080. When I type
> http://intranet:8080 it works but I want my users to just type in
> http://intranet and apache converts it for them. Its either
> mod_rewrite or mod_proxy.
No. If your users don't specify any port (and just enter
http://intranet) their webbrowser connects to port 80, thereby
speaking directly with M$-IIS in your case. Your httpd on port 8080
never gets to see the request, hence there is nothing you can do with
mod_rewrite or mod_proxy in httpd.
You could proxy from M$-IIS to your httpd (if that's possible and you
know how), but that's not a question for this list.
Or maybe twist the ports around and let M$-IIS listen on a
non-standard port (like 8080) and httpd on port 80. *Then* configure
proxying of certain request to M$-IIS. But this would probably change
URLs for whatver M$-IIS was serving, so it all depends on what you
want and how much work you're willing to invest.
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Tim Ford <tf...@phmc.org>.
Thanks, I have apache set to listen on port 8080. When I type http://intranet:8080 it works but I want my users to just type in http://intranet and apache converts it for them. Its either mod_rewrite or mod_proxy.
thanks
Tim Ford
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Tim Ford wrote:
> Hello, I am hosting my webpage on port 8080 so the address is
> http://intranet:8080 and you have to type that to get to it. Well I
> would just like it if my users just had to type http://intranet and
> apache will do the rest. I have tried the Rewrite and Proxy but with no
> luck. Could someone please help me out?
>
Hi.
1) The port on which the webserver listens for requests (8080 presently
in your case) is entirely configurable on the server side.
2) 80 is the default port for the http protocol, so that when a user
tries "http://intranet", it is the same as when they enter
"http://intranet:80".
3) in your Apache main configuration file, there is a line that says
"Listen 8080"
By changing that to "Listen 80", you will change the port Apache is
listening on, and thus attain your stated goal.
4) but (of course there is one), there can only be one server (program)
(like Apache) listening on any given port at any given time on the same
host computer.
It may thus be that some other program is already listening on port 80
on your host computer, and that this may be the reason why your Apache
is configured to use port 8080.
If you try changing the Listen configuration line above to port 80, and
try to restart Apache, and it does not start, then that is probably the
case. Try it, and post back here if you still have a problem.
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Flowering Weeds <fl...@hotmail.com>.
> >> This mailing list is hardly the appropriate place to discuss this.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > See when Windows is mentioned - it's move on time!
> >
> >
> >
> > That is why I said start with PowerShell - like bash or what ever
> >
> > but for Windows Apache users and also learn about http.sys!
> >
> >
> >
> > Is tracking Apache processes allowed here?
> >
> >
> This is mailing list dedicated to supporting end users. Development
> questions should be sent to dev@, or another medium.
>
> I can't venture to guess what you meant by "Tracking Apache processes".
> Care to explain?
>
Perhaps seeing what every thread inside Apache is doing at run time!
Perhaps setting up Apache!
Perhaps charting Apache usage!
Perhaps anything a user wants to do with or within Apache Windows!
Perhaps calling Apache APIs from the command line!
Or perhaps "tracking Apache processes"!
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Frank Gingras <fr...@gmail.com>.
Flowering Weeds wrote:
>
>
>
>>> And it is easy to start learning http.sys via PowerShell - even tracking
>>>
>>> Apache via PowerShel (threads, sockets, processes and etc.). Then after
>>>
>>> seeing "non Unix" ways, not non HTTP ways, and how they work, well if
>>>
>>> one wants to move on to C++ / C okay but .NET makes it so much easier
>>>
>>> for the starter now! PowerShell is a .NET processe that can use http.sys.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Since you seem to know so much about that technology, why don't you
>> contribute to apache, and write the draft for this new (and supposively)
>> better MPM?
>>
>> This mailing list is hardly the appropriate place to discuss this.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> See when Windows is mentioned - it's move on time!
>
>
>
> That is why I said start with PowerShell - like bash or what ever
>
> but for Windows Apache users and also learn about http.sys!
>
>
>
> Is tracking Apache processes allowed here?
>
>
>
>
>
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This is mailing list dedicated to supporting end users. Development
questions should be sent to dev@, or another medium.
I can't venture to guess what you meant by "Tracking Apache processes".
Care to explain?
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Flowering Weeds <fl...@hotmail.com>.
> >
> >
> > And it is easy to start learning http.sys via PowerShell - even tracking
> >
> > Apache via PowerShel (threads, sockets, processes and etc.). Then after
> >
> > seeing "non Unix" ways, not non HTTP ways, and how they work, well if
> >
> > one wants to move on to C++ / C okay but .NET makes it so much easier
> >
> > for the starter now! PowerShell is a .NET processe that can use http.sys.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Since you seem to know so much about that technology, why don't you
> contribute to apache, and write the draft for this new (and supposively)
> better MPM?
>
> This mailing list is hardly the appropriate place to discuss this.
>
>
See when Windows is mentioned - it's move on time!
That is why I said start with PowerShell - like bash or what ever
but for Windows Apache users and also learn about http.sys!
Is tracking Apache processes allowed here?
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Frank Gingras <fr...@gmail.com>.
Flowering Weeds wrote:
>
>
>
>>> Perhap Apache on Windows needs updating?
>>>
>> Perhap Apache on Windows needs to have patches offered. HTTP.SYS
>> is an interesting technology and certainly fits the profile for
>> an entirely separate MPM and core network stack, unrelated to the
>> conventional httpd server. Several folks have kicked around the
>> idea, but this is OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE. Until someone feels like
>> doing to the work, it won't exist, and trolling doesn't encourage
>> solutions in open source.
>>
>>
>
>
>
> It had nothing to do with trolling - but explaining more than one process
>
> on a port at the same time information - Apache can use it too!
>
>
>
>> On that friendly note;
>>
>
>
>
> As for patches - it's more than that - it is a completely new project!
>
>
>
> And it is easy to start learning http.sys via PowerShell - even tracking
>
> Apache via PowerShel (threads, sockets, processes and etc.). Then after
>
> seeing "non Unix" ways, not non HTTP ways, and how they work, well if
>
> one wants to move on to C++ / C okay but .NET makes it so much easier
>
> for the starter now! PowerShell is a .NET processe that can use http.sys.
>
>
>
> So one can start right at the command line and see usage and objects
>
> and properties and etc right now (of Apache and or of http.sys). But all
>
> this is not Apache On Windows Unix version software - just newer Windows
>
> actions doing standard HTTP actions like IIS or any other http.sys user!
>
>
>
> But the real question for ASF is - why write something that is already
>
> there - one can change any part of IIS 7 (and up). So why not just
>
> start ASF IIS modules or what ever? Still open source and usable.
>
>
>
> Then perhaps move on to (if needed) to Apache http.sys MPM!
>
>
>
> Just a question!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Since you seem to know so much about that technology, why don't you
contribute to apache, and write the draft for this new (and supposively)
better MPM?
This mailing list is hardly the appropriate place to discuss this.
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by John Hudak <jj...@gmail.com>.
Seems to me this whole rant got started because someone who appears to be
well indoctrinated in the M$ world thought that Apache was somehow a lesser
program because it did have a mechanism to support port sharing. That is a
discussion for the developers thread and if you feel strongly about it, then
you can devote your time to push that concept. As I see it, this is not a
new concept. In the 2000's the buzz word is 'virtualization'....It depends
on the design goals of the program as to what concept needs to be pushed.
Sharing a port is yet another level of abstractions/indirection that most
likely can decrease performance. (e.d. somthing M$ has not been overly
concerned about, just look at Vista). There are also security issues
(something else M$...well you get the picture).
Am glad the OP solved the issue.
-J
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Flowering Weeds
<fl...@hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>
> > >>
> > >
> > > Call me crazy...but if apache were written in .NET, wouldn't that make
> > > it a Windows-only product?
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
> No http.sys makes it Windows only
> but so does WSA commands now!
>
> Anyway a lot of .NET (CLR really) is
> in Mono and the many Silverlight .NET
> usage versions for most OS browsers.
>
> Remember C# is a standard now
> and .NET is Microsft's version of it!
>
> FYI
>
>
>
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Flowering Weeds <fl...@hotmail.com>.
> >>
> >
> > Call me crazy...but if apache were written in .NET, wouldn't that make
> > it a Windows-only product?
> >
> >
> >
No http.sys makes it Windows only
but so does WSA commands now!
Anyway a lot of .NET (CLR really) is
in Mono and the many Silverlight .NET
usage versions for most OS browsers.
Remember C# is a standard now
and .NET is Microsft's version of it!
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Brian Mearns <me...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:58 PM, Frank Gingras
<fr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Brian,
>
> I am now almost fully convinced that we're feeding a troll. I suggest we
> leave him alone.
>
Yeh, I think you're probably right. Good call.
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Frank Gingras <fr...@gmail.com>.
Brian Mearns wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Flowering Weeds
> <fl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> And it is easy to start learning http.sys via PowerShell - even tracking
>> Apache via PowerShel (threads, sockets, processes and etc.). Then after
>> seeing "non Unix" ways, not non HTTP ways, and how they work, well if
>> one wants to move on to C++ / C okay but .NET makes it so much easier
>> for the starter now! PowerShell is a .NET processe that can use http.sys.
>>
>> So one can start right at the command line and see usage and objects
>> and properties and etc right now (of Apache and or of http.sys). But all
>> this is not Apache On Windows Unix version software - just newer Windows
>> actions doing standard HTTP actions like IIS or any other http.sys user!
>>
>> But the real question for ASF is - why write something that is already
>> there - one can change any part of IIS 7 (and up). So why not just
>> start ASF IIS modules or what ever? Still open source and usable.
>>
>> Then perhaps move on to (if needed) to Apache http.sys MPM!
>>
>> Just a question!
>>
>>
>
> Call me crazy...but if apache were written in .NET, wouldn't that make
> it a Windows-only product?
>
>
>
Brian,
I am now almost fully convinced that we're feeding a troll. I suggest we
leave him alone.
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Brian Mearns <me...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Flowering Weeds
<fl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> And it is easy to start learning http.sys via PowerShell - even tracking
> Apache via PowerShel (threads, sockets, processes and etc.). Then after
> seeing "non Unix" ways, not non HTTP ways, and how they work, well if
> one wants to move on to C++ / C okay but .NET makes it so much easier
> for the starter now! PowerShell is a .NET processe that can use http.sys.
>
> So one can start right at the command line and see usage and objects
> and properties and etc right now (of Apache and or of http.sys). But all
> this is not Apache On Windows Unix version software - just newer Windows
> actions doing standard HTTP actions like IIS or any other http.sys user!
>
> But the real question for ASF is - why write something that is already
> there - one can change any part of IIS 7 (and up). So why not just
> start ASF IIS modules or what ever? Still open source and usable.
>
> Then perhaps move on to (if needed) to Apache http.sys MPM!
>
> Just a question!
>
Call me crazy...but if apache were written in .NET, wouldn't that make
it a Windows-only product?
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Flowering Weeds <fl...@hotmail.com>.
>> >
> > Perhap Apache on Windows needs updating?
>
> Perhap Apache on Windows needs to have patches offered. HTTP.SYS
> is an interesting technology and certainly fits the profile for
> an entirely separate MPM and core network stack, unrelated to the
> conventional httpd server. Several folks have kicked around the
> idea, but this is OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE. Until someone feels like
> doing to the work, it won't exist, and trolling doesn't encourage
> solutions in open source.
>
It had nothing to do with trolling - but explaining more than one process
on a port at the same time information - Apache can use it too!
> On that friendly note;
As for patches - it's more than that - it is a completely new project!
And it is easy to start learning http.sys via PowerShell - even tracking
Apache via PowerShel (threads, sockets, processes and etc.). Then after
seeing "non Unix" ways, not non HTTP ways, and how they work, well if
one wants to move on to C++ / C okay but .NET makes it so much easier
for the starter now! PowerShell is a .NET processe that can use http.sys.
So one can start right at the command line and see usage and objects
and properties and etc right now (of Apache and or of http.sys). But all
this is not Apache On Windows Unix version software - just newer Windows
actions doing standard HTTP actions like IIS or any other http.sys user!
But the real question for ASF is - why write something that is already
there - one can change any part of IIS 7 (and up). So why not just
start ASF IIS modules or what ever? Still open source and usable.
Then perhaps move on to (if needed) to Apache http.sys MPM!
Just a question!
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>.
Flowering Weeds wrote:
>
> Perhap Apache on Windows needs updating?
Perhap Apache on Windows needs to have patches offered. HTTP.SYS
is an interesting technology and certainly fits the profile for
an entirely separate MPM and core network stack, unrelated to the
conventional httpd server. Several folks have kicked around the
idea, but this is OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE. Until someone feels like
doing to the work, it won't exist, and trolling doesn't encourage
solutions in open source.
On that friendly note; I happen to actually be deep inside of the
Windows (*socket based*) MPM, and the Apache 2.3-alpha MPM now
handles AcceptEx + Data (retrieving first packets optimization),
along with a better/more effective 'classic' solution for accept
based on WSAEventSelect(). It's already proven significantly
faster in my initial tests, although I'm not seeing any big win
from the change to accepting the initial data. We'll see how
that evolves, there are still two more performance changes I'm
designing into those listen/accept threads.
Bill
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Matus UHLAR - fantomas <uh...@fantomas.sk>.
On 06.03.09 07:41, Tim Ford wrote:
> Hello, my boss told me its okay to leave the web address with the port attached.
You can still run it on different IP on the same host, but you must
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by André Warnier <aw...@ice-sa.com>.
Tim Ford wrote:
> Hello, my boss told me its okay to leave the web address with the port attached.
>
Thank you. At least now we won't die stupid.
Smart boss.
:-)
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Tim Ford <tf...@phmc.org>.
Hello, my boss told me its okay to leave the web address with the port attached.
Tim
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+1 on all the rest, and add "OpenXML" to the list.
>
> Anyway, those are both of my pennies on the topic. Sounds like the OP
> was able to solve his problem, so that's good.
>
Although he never bothered to tell us how he solved it, but I guess that
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by André Warnier <aw...@ice-sa.com>.
Brian Mearns wrote:
[...]
+1 on all the rest, and add "OpenXML" to the list.
>
> Anyway, those are both of my pennies on the topic. Sounds like the OP
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>
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Brian Mearns <me...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Flowering Weeds
<fl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>> >Not at all true any more. Modern Windows OS (Windows XP
>> >and up ) systems allows (near 100) processes to use the same
>> >IP / Port at the same time.
>> >
>> >In fact, even the Windows admin's automation tool,
>> >powershell.exe, on the command line, can use the
>> >same port that other Windows processes use!
>> >
>> >Web Servers
>> >Web Services
>> >Databases
>> >Commamnd line processes
>> >
>> >All at the same time, on the same IP / Port!
>>
>> I think we're talking about two different things.
>>
>> You can't have say IIS and Apache listen on the same IP and the same port.
>>
>
> Sure one could if ASF followed modern Windows
> HTTP usage and used the http.sys object that
> all these other Windows processes use!
Naturally, we should all look to Windows and MS in general for
guidance on how to follow standards. That's how we end up with such
beautiful pieces of software as Internet Explorer 6 which has lead to
more web-developer suicides than anything else in history.
Not to start a flame war, but Microsoft has a long and rich history of
bastardizing specifications and standards, both out of ignorance and
deliberate attempts to build monopolies on technologies: HTML, CSS,
Javascript, and even a little HTTP (and lets not forget Silverlight,
and C#; while not technically violations of any specification, I think
the argument could certainly be made that they were built for the sake
of competing with existing standards). Opening up multiple services on
a single IP-address/port combination seems to me to go against some of
the key concepts of TCP and UDP. After all, that is what ports were
originally intended for: correspondence to a particular service.
Anyway, those are both of my pennies on the topic. Sounds like the OP
was able to solve his problem, so that's good.
-Brian
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Flowering Weeds <fl...@hotmail.com>.
> >Not at all true any more. Modern Windows OS (Windows XP
> >and up ) systems allows (near 100) processes to use the same
> >IP / Port at the same time.
> >
> >In fact, even the Windows admin's automation tool,
> >powershell.exe, on the command line, can use the
> >same port that other Windows processes use!
> >
> >Web Servers
> >Web Services
> >Databases
> >Commamnd line processes
> >
> >All at the same time, on the same IP / Port!
>
> I think we're talking about two different things.
>
> You can't have say IIS and Apache listen on the same IP and the same port.
>
Sure one could if ASF followed modern Windows
HTTP usage and used the http.sys object that
all these other Windows processes use!
This one port only open way (here port 80, but can
be any port) is very useful for all newer Windows processes!
Also the ports can be any HTTP, TCP, PIPES, MESSAGES
four protocols of sharing not just HTTP only usage!
This is also why IIS 7 Vista now serves all requests
too - http.sys cache usage - even when sharing with
other http.sys Windows processes! Some say IIS 7
is what Apache was suppose to be - modules, core,
whatever - the freedom to write one's own modules
(In .NET or C++, etc.). A lot has changed in this
modern WEB world.
Perhap Apache on Windows needs updating?
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Evan Platt <ev...@espphotography.com>.
At 11:19 AM 3/5/2009, you wrote:
>Not at all true any more. Modern Windows OS (Windows XP
>and up ) systems allows (near 100) processes to use the same
>IP / Port at the same time.
>
>In fact, even the Windows admin's automation tool,
>powershell.exe, on the command line, can use the
>same port that other Windows processes use!
>
>Web Servers
>Web Services
>Databases
>Commamnd line processes
>
>All at the same time, on the same IP / Port!
I think we're talking about two different things.
You can't have say IIS and Apache listen on the same IP and the same port.
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RE: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by Flowering Weeds <fl...@hotmail.com>.
>
> 4) but (of course there is one), there can only be one server (program)
> (like Apache) listening on any given port at any given time on the same
> host computer.
Not at all true any more. Modern Windows OS (Windows XP
and up ) systems allows (near 100) processes to use the same
IP / Port at the same time.
In fact, even the Windows admin's automation tool,
powershell.exe, on the command line, can use the
same port that other Windows processes use!
Web Servers
Web Services
Databases
Commamnd line processes
All at the same time, on the same IP / Port!
Just and FYI
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Re: [users@httpd] Apache port help
Posted by André Warnier <aw...@ice-sa.com>.
Tim Ford wrote:
> Hello, I am hosting my webpage on port 8080 so the address is
> http://intranet:8080 and you have to type that to get to it. Well I
> would just like it if my users just had to type http://intranet and
> apache will do the rest. I have tried the Rewrite and Proxy but with no
> luck. Could someone please help me out?
>
Hi.
1) The port on which the webserver listens for requests (8080 presently
in your case) is entirely configurable on the server side.
2) 80 is the default port for the http protocol, so that when a user
tries "http://intranet", it is the same as when they enter
"http://intranet:80".
3) in your Apache main configuration file, there is a line that says
"Listen 8080"
By changing that to "Listen 80", you will change the port Apache is
listening on, and thus attain your stated goal.
4) but (of course there is one), there can only be one server (program)
(like Apache) listening on any given port at any given time on the same
host computer.
It may thus be that some other program is already listening on port 80
on your host computer, and that this may be the reason why your Apache
is configured to use port 8080.
If you try changing the Listen configuration line above to port 80, and
try to restart Apache, and it does not start, then that is probably the
case. Try it, and post back here if you still have a problem.
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